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It's nearly lights out for PG&E's solar power buybacks (Some want more subsidies for "common good")
Santa Cruz Sentinel ^ | May 30, 2006 | Aria Pearson

Posted on 06/09/2006 11:24:32 AM PDT by calcowgirl

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To: NormsRevenge

It's not for the children.

It's for the public good. (Even worse)


21 posted on 06/09/2006 11:58:51 AM PDT by art_rocks
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To: calljack
No it just becomes less cost effective.

Well, at some point, "less" cost effective becomes "not" cost effective, depending on what you are comparing to and what alternatives you have.

22 posted on 06/09/2006 11:59:40 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

This ignores the obvious solution of having PG&E buy larger quantities of power back, but only at wholesale costs rather than retail (i.e., at a lower cost than they charge the same customer when the meter is going the other way). This would closer reflect the true economics, while still giving customers a chance to recoup their costs sooner. Sounds like a win-win to me. Oh, well, I wouldn't expect common sense to prevail.


23 posted on 06/09/2006 12:07:10 PM PDT by MOTR Newbie
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To: calljack

"Buy the parts and do it yourself will greatly lower the cost.
Labor is a significant part of the cost and it ain't rocket science."

You don't really believe they would allow that do you, if it isn't installed by a "licenced installer" you don't get the permit and won't have it at an cost.

No licenced installer, no net meter, plus if they catch you, you tear it out.



24 posted on 06/09/2006 12:08:22 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: ArrogantBustard
The "buyback" rates were set in the Carter Admin- the utility buys the alternate power (solar, wind, whatever) at a high rate.

I don't think the utility can change the rate.

So they buy electricity and often sell it for less than they bought it for. That's stupid, even if we use less oil, where's all that money going to come from?
25 posted on 06/09/2006 12:10:33 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: calcowgirl

Confused by the article.

Why can't I buy a solar energy system, hook it up and not pay PSE&G anymore? Why is complicated. If you want a system, buy one. If you don't, continue to pay for electric.

I thought that was called free market.


26 posted on 06/09/2006 12:12:23 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: calcowgirl

Dubious... To say the least!!!


27 posted on 06/09/2006 12:12:56 PM PDT by SierraWasp ((2006)Arnold? Or NO Arnold? (2008)Gore? Or NO Gore? NO DEAL!!! (on either one))
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To: Starwolf

Ping!


28 posted on 06/09/2006 12:14:06 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: saganite

"sheeple will rise up and blame---The energy companies!"

WRONG!... Gary Davis


29 posted on 06/09/2006 12:24:07 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: calljack

> Max rebate = payback in 8 years
> No rebate = payback in 13 years

What discount rate did you use in those calculations?


30 posted on 06/09/2006 12:26:23 PM PDT by MikeGranby
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To: MikeGranby

The ones in the article.


31 posted on 06/09/2006 12:29:34 PM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: MikeGranby

My apologies. I didn't see the "13 years" cited in this article. I was going off other estimates I've seen that say actual payback, without subsidies, can be much more than that (as much as 25 years--which exceeds the expected life of the solar unit altogether).


32 posted on 06/09/2006 12:32:07 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: MikeGranby; calljack

Sorry again--I meant to direct my last post to calljack.


33 posted on 06/09/2006 12:33:14 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: DBrow
The "buyback" rates were set in the Carter Admin

There's your problem, right there.

34 posted on 06/09/2006 12:51:24 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: calcowgirl

Wait.....Something bad happened when the state interved with supply and demand.

Laissez Faire--Come on the french have only came up with one good idea.


35 posted on 06/09/2006 12:56:55 PM PDT by xpertskir
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To: xpertskir
Laissez Faire--Come on the french have only came up with one good idea.

Nah, they just took someone else's common sense idea and gave it a fru-fru name.

36 posted on 06/09/2006 12:59:40 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Ditto

YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE FIGURED THAT OUT.

(By the way, ever think of all that cadminum and lead they're putting in those lead-acid batteries they're storing in the garage? Then having to recycle/dump in the landfill when the batteries die after 3 years: at $80.00-100.00 per battery, and around 40 lbs of lead and acid and plastic, it adds up to a lot of material for "free" power part of the time.)


37 posted on 06/09/2006 1:17:54 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: calcowgirl

New York (at least in my region) won't buy electricity. You get back what you put in at cost. If you put in more than you use, too bad. So it's important to size your system proportionately to what you use in a year.


38 posted on 06/09/2006 1:19:21 PM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: calcowgirl

Who needs a subsidy when you can run your meter backwards? Let the market work, I say! ... :)


39 posted on 06/09/2006 1:22:00 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: P-40

Bingo.


40 posted on 06/09/2006 1:23:02 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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