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No (House Republicans vs. Senator Frist’s amnesty plan. )
National Review Online ^ | 5 June 2006 | Rep. Tom Tancredo

Posted on 06/05/2006 4:51:21 PM PDT by Spiff

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To: sinkspur
Tancredo wants the issue.

Tancredo has been the lone voice for immigration sanity for years. Now you are saying that Tancredo is just being political if he doesn't admit defeat and back the opposite of what he has stood for all these years?

Every piece of legislation that leaves the house will have border enforcement amendments tacked on so Bush and the senate won't be able to kill it or hide from it.

41 posted on 06/05/2006 5:49:18 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The line in the sand is now drawn.

Until Hastert or Boehner draw the line in the sand, there is no line in the sand.

42 posted on 06/05/2006 5:49:38 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Colorado politics do not equal National politics.
And remember, he got elected by gun grabbing after Columbine.
43 posted on 06/05/2006 5:49:47 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21
Oh please. George Bush had far worse against him (failed business, DUI, and plenty more) and still sailed in quite nicely. McCain the Insane is oft considered a front-runner, yet he was a prominent member of the Keating Five, among many many other serious issues.

Your standard seems to uniquely apply to anti-immigration candidates. And it should be no surprise as this speaks for itself.

44 posted on 06/05/2006 5:50:34 PM PDT by thoughtomator (A thread without a comment on immigration is not complete)
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To: PRND21

You obviously know alot about ESP. The ignorance is yours.

Yes, I am ignorant about your reference to ESP. What does ESP have to do with Tancredo and his ability to represent my district? He does a great job and has been re-elected by huge margins. He is a strong Conservative, and will be re-elected in November.


45 posted on 06/05/2006 5:52:44 PM PDT by digerati
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To: sinkspur
No. There should be honest negotiations between the House and the Senate. Bullying won't work.

What bullying? Pence's plan is the best compromise there is. You and I agreed to that already. If the Senate won't consider it, then what?

If the status quo continues, the House will be just as much to blame.

Wrong. Voters will realize that the Senate is to blame and just wants to ram its amnesty package down America's throats. House candidates will be supported, but the Senate and support for the administration will deteriorate even more than it already has.

In addition, every House member is running, so they're much more exposed than the Senate is.

House Republicans will be rewarded. The Senate will completely be ignored. Maybe its time for a unicameral Congress, IMO.

46 posted on 06/05/2006 5:53:19 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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To: sinkspur
Sinskpur says:

"Tancredo doesn't want a solution to illegal immigration."

However, in the second paragraph of the article, Tancredo offers his solution:

"The House should respond with a strong reaffirmation of the enforcement-first strategy for border control and immigration-law enforcement, an approach strongly favored by a large majority of the American people.

So Tancredo goes beyond just wanting a solution, he actually offers one.

47 posted on 06/05/2006 5:53:34 PM PDT by Vision Thing
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To: Spiff
SENATORS...FAT BLOATED DOPES....
48 posted on 06/05/2006 5:56:13 PM PDT by pointsal (Q)
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To: Vision Thing
"The House should respond with a strong reaffirmation of the enforcement-first strategy for border control and immigration-law enforcement, an approach strongly favored by a large majority of the American people.

However, he knows that there will be NO bill without a guest worker component so he is offering NO SOLUTION at all. He will just keep moving the goal posts since immigration is the only thing that keeps him in his phoney baloney job.

49 posted on 06/05/2006 5:56:14 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Jim_Curtis
Every piece of legislation that leaves the house will have border enforcement amendments tacked on so Bush and the senate won't be able to kill it or hide from it.

Doesn't matter. If the House is seen as being the obstacle to an immigration bill, Tancredo will spend the next two years getting nothing, for sure, on illegal immigration.

"No bill" translates, for the voting public, into "no action, no reform." If you think that works in the House GOP's favor, you're mistaken.

50 posted on 06/05/2006 5:56:48 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: Texasforever
Where the hell are you getting that?

Friend of mine spoke to Sensenbrenner's staff. Said he's aware of it but the Senate still supports its amnesty.

How are you and sinkspur going to support reasonable immigration reform now?

51 posted on 06/05/2006 5:57:04 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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To: Texasforever

I don't understand this logic on immigration. If people cant accept a Pence like compromise in the House then I am beginning to wonder the end game here with that group. I have noticed a slight change in the debate here and elsewhere. At the start it was only being against illegal immigration. Now the anti legal immigration forces are being more open in what they believe.


52 posted on 06/05/2006 5:59:05 PM PDT by catholicfreeper (Proud supporter of Pres. Bush and the Gop-- with no caveats, qualifiers, or bitc*en)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Voters will realize that the Senate is to blame and just wants to ram its amnesty package down America's throats. House candidates will be supported, but the Senate and support for the administration will deteriorate even more than it already has.

You're engaged in wishful thinking. Voters will say "the Senate is reasonable, the House is not." It would be very easy to write a few ads, in fact, that point that out.

House candidates in marginal districts will get clobbered.

53 posted on 06/05/2006 5:59:43 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Friend of mine spoke to Sensenbrenner's staff. Said he's aware of it but the Senate still supports its amnesty.

Did you think the Senate was just going to say hey that's better than ours? Geeze. There are 2 bills on the table and if there is to be a final bill it will be some combination of the 2. If that can't be reconciled then there will be no bill. That is what Tancredo is praying for. He is the last person on earth to want this issue resolved.

54 posted on 06/05/2006 6:00:39 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Spiff

"What Part of No Don't You Understand?" - Lorrie Morgan

Maybe we ought to mail a copy of that song to all our wavering RINO Senators and Congrescritters.

NO AMNESTY!


55 posted on 06/05/2006 6:00:44 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: sinkspur
"No bill" translates, for the voting public, into "no action, no reform." If you think that works in the House GOP's favor, you're mistaken.

Sinskpur, please....you're dizzying me with the spinning here.

56 posted on 06/05/2006 6:00:56 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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To: catholicfreeper
If people cant accept a Pence like compromise in the House then I am beginning to wonder the end game here with that group.

The end game is to do nothing and then to bitch and moan for another 40 years.

57 posted on 06/05/2006 6:01:50 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: nj26

Its a good thing that the Senate BIll is not an amnesty bill then


58 posted on 06/05/2006 6:02:04 PM PDT by catholicfreeper (Proud supporter of Pres. Bush and the Gop-- with no caveats, qualifiers, or bitc*en)
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To: PRND21

"...what does that have to do with avoiding Vietnam?"

What the hell does ANYTHING have to do with avoiding Vietnam? By the time the Bush presidency ends we'll have had sixteen years of presidents who avoided Vietnam, let alone congressmen.So what?
I spent a year there...does that qualify me to be an elected official? Not in the least. I do, however, think it gives me the right to be angry when I'm up to my a$$ in illegal Mexicans.
If Tancredo is doing something to put a stop to this, more power to him. If a broken term limit promise (how many others did this) is more impotant to you, then let the Mexicans live in YOUR garage.

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59 posted on 06/05/2006 6:03:27 PM PDT by beelzepug (Kites banned in Pakistan...does anything in Islam NOT involve throat slitting?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
How are you and sinkspur going to support reasonable immigration reform now?

I'm going to watch you squirm when the House begins to backpedal.

Maybe the Pence bill is the best anybody can get this year. As you can see, however, the unappeaseables will still kick and scream and piss and moan that it's a "sellout." And Tancredo will try to kill it.

I'll back Pence's bill, gladly, because he, at least, is facing reality.

60 posted on 06/05/2006 6:03:45 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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