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No (House Republicans vs. Senator Frist’s amnesty plan. )
National Review Online ^ | 5 June 2006 | Rep. Tom Tancredo

Posted on 06/05/2006 4:51:21 PM PDT by Spiff

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To: thoughtomator

My last post should have read Congressman. Sorry for the typo.


21 posted on 06/05/2006 5:35:26 PM PDT by digerati
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To: Spiff

0% On keeping the term limit pledge


22 posted on 06/05/2006 5:36:06 PM PDT by ConservativeGreek
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To: Jim_Curtis
What does it say about Pense's bill that you support it? Tells me it's a deceptive amnesty bill.

I support Pence's bill as a starting point for discussion. The fact that Pence recognizes that the House must move toward the Senate in order for the Senate to move toward the House shows that Pence wants immigration reform.

Tancredo wants the issue.

23 posted on 06/05/2006 5:36:56 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: thoughtomator
In other words, for lack of any substantive objection to Tancredo

I gave you two objections that will keep him out of National politics. You're dishonest.

Here's another...

Want more?

24 posted on 06/05/2006 5:37:08 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: sinkspur
If the Senate had any interest in HR 4437, it would have taken it up a month ago.

Yep.

25 posted on 06/05/2006 5:38:25 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: sinkspur
Even Mike Pence knows that, which is why Pence modified the House bill.

Word in Washington is that the Senate won't even consider Pence's bill.

Do you believe that the House should completely compromise and pass the Senate's poison pill now? Screw it, they should just put the thing out of its misery. If the status quo continues, blame the Senate/Bush administration.

26 posted on 06/05/2006 5:38:43 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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To: digerati
Tancredo was physically abused by his father, and he talks about it openly.

Sad, but what does that have to do with avoiding Vietnam?

27 posted on 06/05/2006 5:39:18 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Word in Washington is that the Senate won't even consider Pence's bill.

"Word in Washington" seems kind of vague. Where can I go to get the "word"?

28 posted on 06/05/2006 5:40:18 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Jim_Curtis
What does it say about Pense's bill that you support it? Tells me it's a deceptive amnesty bill.

Pences scheme is "bus-trip amnesty". Take a bus to Tijuana. Back the same day with amnesty papers. Not just deceptive, but convenient!

29 posted on 06/05/2006 5:41:13 PM PDT by RodgerD (Reject the Democrat's Migration Explosion Act of 2006. No to 70 million new third-world aliens.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
So did other Congresscritters.

"True Conservative" Congresscritters? Or Libs and liars?

30 posted on 06/05/2006 5:41:32 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21

No, both your "objections" fall into the category of "ad hominem". And your latest falls into the category of "guilt by association". These are classic dishonest argumentation techniques (and I certainly don't need to tell you that!).

If those "objections" would keep one out of national politics, then who among our current political leaders could stay in office? Which of Tancredo's alleged sins compares with the rampant corruption and bribe-taking that permeates both branches of Congress?

If you were being honest, you would say "I hate Tom Tancredo because I support massive illegal immigration, and consider anyone who opposes it to be a threat to my interests."


31 posted on 06/05/2006 5:42:44 PM PDT by thoughtomator (A thread without a comment on immigration is not complete)
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To: PRND21

You obviously know nothing about childhood abuse. Perhaps you should do some research instead of posting ignorant statements.


32 posted on 06/05/2006 5:43:05 PM PDT by digerati
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To: RodgerD
Pences scheme is "bus-trip amnesty". Take a bus to Tijuana. Back the same day with amnesty papers. Not just deceptive, but convenient!

So Pence is now a RINO?

33 posted on 06/05/2006 5:43:45 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever
Yep.

The Senate isn't even going to consider Pence's bill.

Pence offered a reasonable compromise and the Senate won't even listen to that.

You and sinkspur are in the minority. The line in the sand is now drawn.

34 posted on 06/05/2006 5:43:47 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Pence offered a reasonable compromise and the Senate won't even listen to that.

Where the hell are you getting that?

35 posted on 06/05/2006 5:44:29 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Spiff
That should be--

HELL NO!

Right now- Enforcement only. The rest can come later once the bleeding is controlled.

36 posted on 06/05/2006 5:44:43 PM PDT by RobFromGa (The FairTax cult is like Scientology, but without the movie stars)
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To: digerati
You obviously know nothing about childhood abuse.

You obviously know alot about ESP. The ignorance is yours.

37 posted on 06/05/2006 5:45:51 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Do you believe that the House should completely compromise and pass the Senate's poison pill now?

No. There should be honest negotiations between the House and the Senate. Bullying won't work.

Screw it, they should just put the thing out of its misery. If the status quo continues, blame the Senate/Bush administration.

If the status quo continues, the House will be just as much to blame. In addition, every House member is running, so they're much more exposed than the Senate is.

For all the bluster, Hastert and Boehner have not joined the "all or nothing" crowd. Watch what they say over the next couple of weeks.

38 posted on 06/05/2006 5:46:30 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: thoughtomator
No, both your "objections" fall into the category of "ad hominem"

They show that he will never be elected Nationally and people like you will pump him up to "Perot" the Republican candidate.

39 posted on 06/05/2006 5:47:44 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21
"True Conservative" Congresscritters? Or Libs and liars?

Colorado voters didn't have a problem with it.

So why are you still sweating it?

40 posted on 06/05/2006 5:48:24 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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