Posted on 06/04/2006 7:09:35 AM PDT by kellynla
Bill Clinton could have made the same claim - honestly - in 1998, at about the same time he turned down Sudan's offer to turn over Bin Laden.
"Do you post anything but Bush Sucks Threads??"
if you check my forum, you'll find I do.
but if ya don't like my posts, nobody has a gun in your back.
Bush campaigned on "getting along" and 'not making waves.' (my term) He was trying to make some big statement on bipartisanship. That's why he affiliated himself with Kennedy in what was an enormously expensive bill.
He's far too nice. Most of us assumed that it was just an act and that he would get into office and "quietly" ram through a conservative agenda....WITH THE HELP OF TWO GOP HOUSES! Apparently we were all mistaken.
He's done a great job in Iraq, but he's been on vacation here at home. He tried to slide Miers in there and the base reacted, with help from the libs ironically, in order to prevent Souter II. If 911 had never happened, he'd have precious little under his belt for six years.
It now appears that he's not only gonna have nothing else, but that he may in fact sell us all out, hand throw our sovereignty to the four winds, just about literally. He may as well tear up our US Constitution and heave it out the WH window on the next windy day.
If a President had taken his stand on immigration 50 years ago, he'd have been thrown out of office almost immediately.
If any of the founding fathers were hear to see his stance they'd have instant heart attacks.
The Clinton years did irreverseable damage. But Bush is merely piling on. The Clinton years debacle could have been halted in time. It wasn't as Bush is pushing similar agendas.
As well, many of the "lesser" issues, what used to be the big ones, are now considered all but moot should the current Senate immigration bill, or anything close to it, actually pass. Who cares about tax cuts if in 10, 15, or 20 years we are all supporting a married couple of baby boomers and an illegal (then made "legal") Mexican family? "Tax cuts" wouldn't cover all that.
At this rate, abortions will be available in every back alley. Why Kennedy supports this crap is amusing.
Meanwhile, we'd all better learn Spanish, because clearly illegal Mexicans have by an large have absolutely no desire or inclination, or even motive, to learn English.
Whatever the senators and reps are telling us now about "tax penalties," "illegals having to learn Enlish," "them having to learn about the history of our nation," it's all BS. NONE of it will ever come to pass just as few other laws are enforced unless it's poltically expedient for those that signed the Bills.
Yet, those in support keep trudging along on pace for not being fooled once, yea, nor twice, but for the hundredth or more time.
The Clinton years were horrible and irreversable and set this nation back irreversably as stated. But he could have done much worse as much of his time was wasted in scandals. But Bush is even worse in many ways and certainly has done absolutely nothing to put this nation back on a proper course.
If someone would have stated that Bush would be not only in favor of the current senate immigration bill, but actually pushing for it hard, during the '00 or '04 electins, no one would have believed it an those stating that would have been haled as morons, Bush haters, and people that are clueless.
YET, here we are!
And here is the flaw in Federalizing everything. Once you give a self absorbed bunch like NY money, they expect to get it FOREVER. See YOU are suppose to pay for THEIR security. The idea that they have all ready gotten MORE then their fair share of Fed Money does not matter. To these people ONLY they exist. The rest of you are just peons kept around to foot THEIR bills. Hey New York, DROP DEAD
After all Congress can rely on the Whine All The Time Choir of "Real Conservatives" to simply mindlessly parrot the latest attack on Bush. Like the Democrats the Whiners have NO ideas other then bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.
Amazing how you can write these long posts and still completely misrepresent the President's position!
That is utter nonsense. Big shocking news for you. The Founders has NO immigration laws. Anyone could come and go as they please. See they belived in LIBERTY, not Police State "Conservativism".
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"Let me count how many successful attacks there have been against us since the GWOT started on 9/12/2001, the official "start of the game" to use your football analogy:
ZERO. ZILCH. NADA. None. Zip."
This ia the one part of the 'War on Terror", that has always bothered me.
It is beyond reason to think that our government, which can't even begin to get a handle on countless tons of drugs coming into the country every single year, has been able to stop EVERT SINGLE jihadi effort and plot against us.
I realize that the Muslims are probably focused on Iraq and Afghanistan. Good.
Nevertheless, if they were actually making a serious effort to harm us HERE, they would have had at least some successes in the past five years, no matter how efficient the government was at trying to stop them.
They appear to be one hit wonders. Shot off everything they had on 9/11, and don't have anything left in the tank.
Individual fruitcake muzzies blew away a few folks at LAX, and terrorized the DC area for awhile.
You would think that any organized Al-Queda types would have been able to do this, and a lot more, even if 95% of their people and plots had been identified and stopped.
Sorry, but your long reply is evidence you so have a problem with reality.
"Kind of obvious that you have not listened to a single word Bush has said on Immigration. So yes, your actions DO expose you as a knee jerk Bush hater who has not even bothered to find out Bush's position on Immigration."
We know his position on immigration.
When you cut through all the verbiage, smilely-face feel-good, and spin, it essentially it breaks down to: "bring in as many as you can, as fast as you can."
Same as Teddy, Nancy, Harry, and Hillary.
Just another RINO, Northeast-Establishment, Wall Street, Rockefeller Elitist returning to his roots, like a swallow to Capistrano.
Too bad the time he spent in Texas didn't "take".
I did not. I would not be able to stomach it.
knee jerk Bush hater
Whether someone loves or hates the President is not so important. We do not live in a monarchy yet, maybe you should move to England? I personally do not have strong feelings one way or another, and I do not think they matter.
"Come" maybe they can. But "go" is another matter - try to enter Mexico illegally, or any other country for that matter.
And rather than just talk, how do you suggest he do that? And where does the Senate and House fit in. And if he could, the first thing Mexico would do is close normal crossings without passports and when they see hundreds of thousands of these poor clamoring to return, shut it down. Do you think they want them back? And I suppose that if we dry up the jobs that they will sneak back across the border. Crime with illegals is huge, just imagine what it would be if they have no income, health care, and welfare. Fining employers for using ID that in all sense could not be proved false at the entry level to jobs. What kind of bureaucratic setup do we need to offer employers a way to rapidly verify status.
Secure the border. Your proposal would be very interesting.
Leaving aside the merits of raising funds for Topeka while cutting funds for NYC, the mid-range political appointees are remarkably 'tone deaf' to political realities in an election year.
The susbstantive argument of whether Topeka is a target at all compared to NYC or Washington seems to me to be a no-brainer.
But there IS a political component and how this got past higher up officials who should know better is a mystery.
They also lived in an entirely different world and knew what was good for this country and what was not!
I'll clue you in, they separated from England, at much blood cost, for a reason.
That makes a lot of sense.
Amazing how you can write these long posts and still completely misrepresent the President's position!
Wipe that brown spot off your chin! Been to the WH lately. ; )
He's pro-amnesty and most people in the nation are quite aware of what his policy/position/stance is.
Feel free to lay out, specifically, where you think my implications suggest inaccuracy however. Onus is on you there.
His judicial appointments alone go a long, long way in putting this nation on a proper course. But you say he's done absolutely nothing?
You move your power sources all over the place in trying to make your argument. The base did away with Miers? Then where are they now on immigration? The President does whatever he wants? Then where is Social Security reform? The Senate stiffed him on Social Security reform but now they are carrying his water on immigration?
The American public is somewhere between the House and Senate bills, exactly where Bush is. Had the House not crafted their bill so narrowly, they would be winning the day.
Not only was that cell busted, they are linking it to the student from Georgia Tech, that was just sent to jail. Chuckie Schumer, who described Georgia as a state of nothing but peanut farmers, doesn't understand it's better to take these guys out BEFORE the damage is done.
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