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Brave New Babymaking: The Search for Sperm Donor 401
Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 5/31/2006 | Chuck Colson

Posted on 06/01/2006 6:55:41 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback

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To: Monterrosa-24
Colson is saying that Nazi-like thinking of humans as only things (or good genetic material is wrong).

For this to actually be "nazi-like" government would have to be behind it. As it stands it's a choice individuals are making that is not very much different then why and how people choose mates. What would be nazi-like is to have government enforcing rules that makes sure no one is genetically superior.
21 posted on 06/01/2006 7:52:06 AM PDT by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: Mr. Silverback

In a world where new "human rights" are discovered every day, what about a child's right to be born of a mother and a father?


22 posted on 06/01/2006 7:55:32 AM PDT by joylyn
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To: BenLurkin

Why? Well obviously she has a deep, abiding love for donor 401.


23 posted on 06/01/2006 7:57:33 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: joylyn

How would you enforce that, exactly?


24 posted on 06/01/2006 7:58:22 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Mr. Silverback

Confession.....when I found out my Sister In Law had decided to have another child (after her 2nd divorce was final) through this means.....I cried. I told my MIL that she was denying the child a father, something I felt very strongly about. The child now is 19, a lost bimbo, and her mother has been married and divorced again.

It's nice that children are wanted.....but, when they are as accessories or toys, then I find it abhorrent. I think they have since banned the practice of fertilizing single/divorced women in the State where this took place, thankfully.


25 posted on 06/01/2006 7:58:41 AM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: linda_22003

Most of the human rights being promoted today are general statements of principle and can't be enforced 100% of the time. However, I would not encourage laws and customs that work against traditional parenthood. A prime example would be the movement to make family law gender neutral in every respect.


26 posted on 06/01/2006 8:15:21 AM PDT by joylyn
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To: coconutt2000; steve-b; Durus
And then imagine the child of that transaction—one who finds out that Dad sold his genetic material to a total stranger because she was the highest bidder.

This is just the gender-reverse of what has been common practice for centuries: women (or their parents, in societies where arranged marriage is the norm) shop around for the wealthiest husband they can land, to father their children, and support mom and the kids. In other words, mom sells her genetic material to the highest bidder, whose primary interest in entering into the arrangement is to get children which are genetically half his.

27 posted on 06/01/2006 8:21:53 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: steve-b
Shopping for what one might consider superior or preferable genetic material is an absolute individual right.

Preposterously hyperbolic assertion.

28 posted on 06/01/2006 8:39:22 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Oh, so you believe that the authorities have a legitimate power to select mates for people.

(Note that I use a period, not a question mark. This statement is not debatable, as it follows by inescapable logic from your position.)

29 posted on 06/01/2006 8:43:33 AM PDT by steve-b (hardcore 'social' conservatives are to the Rs what the hardcore moonbat eco-nuts are to to the Ds)
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To: Mr. Silverback
And then imagine the child of that transaction—one who finds out that Dad sold his genetic material to a total stranger because she was the highest bidder.

Oh no! ... My parents loved me so much they were willing to pay more for me than anyone else! I am *SO* heartbroken!

30 posted on 06/01/2006 8:43:38 AM PDT by The Duke
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Oh, so you believe that the authorities have a legitimate power to select mates for people.

Completely absurd strawman.

(Note that I use a period, not a question mark. This statement is not debatable, as it follows by inescapable logic from your position.)

Apparently a system of logical inference that exists solely in your own fevered brain.

31 posted on 06/01/2006 8:51:49 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: fromscratchmom; coconutt2000
You just hit the nail on the head, scratchmom, and then some.

Why must these women give in to a (purely psychological?) urge to become biological mothers? Maybe, with some of their free time--just a few hours a month--they could hang out at the local crisis pregnancy center, lend a hand. Encourage a scared young woman, facing an unplanned pregnancy, to see adoption as an alternative to abortion. Save a life already created instead of starting from scratch. These centers need all the help they can get.

Artificial insemination, IVF, etc...these procedures do nothing, absolutely nothing, to decrease the incidence of abortion.

32 posted on 06/01/2006 8:52:38 AM PDT by grellis (will do dishes for tagline)
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To: The Duke

You have an interesting notion of love.


33 posted on 06/01/2006 8:53:06 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Mr. Silverback
Two things the Europeans got right ping:

#1 - Some European countries have banned donor insemination of single women and the anonymous donation of sperm and eggs. And we ought to be doing exactly the same thing here.

#2 -
34 posted on 06/01/2006 9:13:32 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: oprahstheantichrist
That is too wacko, even for CA.

But since when have they not been trying to push the limits of strangeness in Califorina? It seems to me that California would be the perfect place to set up a eugenically-minded "fertility" clinic movement.

35 posted on 06/01/2006 9:20:18 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: wideawake

See Msg#27.


36 posted on 06/01/2006 9:21:03 AM PDT by steve-b (hardcore 'social' conservatives are to the Rs what the hardcore moonbat eco-nuts are to to the Ds)
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To: steve-b
Post 27 does not assert an absolute individual right to select one's child's biological parents.

There is no "right" to seduce another person's spouse, for example.

There is no right to have a child with a minor, either.

"Absolute" - again, a preposterously hyperbolic assertion.

37 posted on 06/01/2006 9:27:22 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: steve-b

The point is, even frickin Europe has gotten something simple and easy like this right -- and we haven't! It's shameful. Shows how low we've sunk.


38 posted on 06/01/2006 9:27:30 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Happy New Year! Breed like dogs!)
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To: linda_22003

"How would you enforce that, exactly?"

It may not make sense as an enforceably law, but it is a worthwhile attitude to encourage (or read articles about on FR).


39 posted on 06/01/2006 9:28:15 AM PDT by fromscratchmom
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To: wideawake

well, you were right. (no matter what a weird response you got)


40 posted on 06/01/2006 9:30:37 AM PDT by fromscratchmom
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