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LDS to push marriage amendment
The Deseret News ^ | 5-27-2006 | Elaine Jarvik

Posted on 05/27/2006 8:00:47 AM PDT by Utah Girl

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To: SealSeven

Besides identifying yourself as a first class religious idiot.
You have any more revelations for us.


61 posted on 05/27/2006 10:57:47 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: SealSeven

You are correct. My mistake. I've got a book of Mormon circa 1880's I need to find. So many changes as compared to the present one but, thats another thread.


62 posted on 05/27/2006 10:57:58 AM PDT by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: Utah Girl

Marriage between a man and a woman and a woman and a woman and a......


63 posted on 05/27/2006 10:58:38 AM PDT by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: MACVSOG68
"It is an attempt by religious fundamentalists to try and impose their particular value system on everyone else. "


The reality is, "religious fundamentalists" as you call them, are not the ones trying to impose their value system on everyone else. That statement is pure projection from the left!
64 posted on 05/27/2006 10:58:44 AM PDT by gidget7 (PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
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To: nralife
There are laws prohibiting incestuous relationships and marriages, and marriages to minors. Because of such laws, marriages based on such relationships are void. Are these laws contrary to God's will because they violate free agency?

The interesting thing is, if the liberal justices of the SCOTUS force everybody to acknowledge gay marriage they are quite unlikely to ever grant the same deference to incestuous marriage or child marriage. They are very selective as to which abominable practices they will force the rest of us to recognize.

65 posted on 05/27/2006 10:58:50 AM PDT by JCEccles (“It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.” Jefferson)
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To: nralife

How many "wives" do you have?


66 posted on 05/27/2006 11:00:01 AM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: gidget7
The DOMA is not protecting the citizens of MA, or for that matter VT or CT, all of whom have been denied their constitutional rights to vote on marriage amendments in their states.

I'm only aware of Massachusetts, Vermont and Hawaii. Hawaii amended its constitution and that ended the fray. Vermont and Connecticut permit legal unions but not marriage. And each of these states has within it the ability to handle its own constitution, as Massachusetts is currently doing through the amendment process.

The DOMA is intended to interpret Article IV, not to interfere in intrastate issues.

The federal Congress should concentrate on what it is being paid to do, and let the states handle those issues that rightfully belong there.

67 posted on 05/27/2006 11:00:41 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: DelphiUser

So you are doing everything you can to make sure that legal abortion remains the law of the land, correct?


68 posted on 05/27/2006 11:01:18 AM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: MACVSOG68
Gay marriage is about a small group of self-indulgent nuts forcing their sickness on the rest of us.

You must support the sickness, hence your confused posts.

69 posted on 05/27/2006 11:02:22 AM PDT by JCEccles (“It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.” Jefferson)
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To: All

So, where does the Mormon Senators, Harry Reid and Orrin Hatch stand on this? Are they gonna support this amendment as all good Mormons should do?????


70 posted on 05/27/2006 11:03:34 AM PDT by dmw
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To: SealSeven
Wow, a God who changes his mind and, allows man to dictate church policy based on the law (mans).

Wow, two misstatements rolled up in a single sentence.

First, there is nothing in the paragraph you cited that would indicate that God changed his mind about anything. The action of the LDS Church was entirely consistent with our Twelfth Article of Faith: "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

When the Supreme Court ruled against plural marriage, it left the Church with a choice: Keep God's commandment regarding plural marriage or keep God's commandment to obey, honor, and sustain the law. It was not possible to do both.

So the President of the Church asked God what was to be done. The answer was to discontinue the practice of plural marriage.

Which brings me to the second of your misstatements, that a man dictated Church policy. It was not so: the President of the Church acted according to revelation. God dictated Church policy.

71 posted on 05/27/2006 11:04:23 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: wita
Besides identifying yourself as a first class religious idiot. You have any more revelations for us.

Kill the insults post haste. I was off topic with that post and have already apologized for it. Another thread would perhaps be a better place to discuss this. And yes, I have plenty of revelations from many wannabe Gods of the Mormon church.

72 posted on 05/27/2006 11:04:33 AM PDT by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: dmw
There is no question that Hatch supports the amendment.

Reid? My guess is that politics will trump common sense in his case.

73 posted on 05/27/2006 11:05:06 AM PDT by JCEccles (“It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.” Jefferson)
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To: Logophile

Wht is Gods commandment as pertaining to plural marriage?


74 posted on 05/27/2006 11:06:47 AM PDT by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: MACVSOG68
It is an attempt by religious fundamentalists to try and impose their particular value system on everyone else.

P.S. You might consider actual rather than perceived social injustice issues in your reasoning when attempting to evoke platitudes to support a flawed position.

The only recent example that readily comes to mind of others imposing their particular value system on everyone else would reside within the domain of the Lawrence decision wherein anal sex was imposed upon everyone else.

It is the activist judges and judicial rulings that impose on everyone else -it is objectively self-evident that everyone else (the people) can not ever impose anything on themselves -not possible to consider that which is chosen to be that which is imposed UNLESS of course you comprise the minority position being imposed upon...

;-)

75 posted on 05/27/2006 11:09:50 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: SealSeven
Why do you care?

If you don't believe it, it doesn't effect your spiritual health. Why pick a fight over something you don't believe?

Unless you suspect and fear it might be true.

76 posted on 05/27/2006 11:09:52 AM PDT by JCEccles (“It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.” Jefferson)
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To: JCEccles
"There are laws prohibiting incestuous relationships and marriages, and marriages to minors. Because of such laws, marriages based on such relationships are void. Are these laws contrary to God's will because they violate free agency? "


Maybe you are missing something because you are not LDS? In the current dispensation, G-d never commanded or authorized the relationships you described. However, He did authorize Celestial Plural Marriage. It was to be conducted in a temple of the Lord. An argument can even be made, that it was taught that plural marriage was a requirement for exaltation, but I'm not going there.

It's a moot point whether the relationships you described are denying agency. This all has to do with HF's will and tying His hands in that regard.
77 posted on 05/27/2006 11:10:15 AM PDT by nralife
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To: gidget7
The reality is, "religious fundamentalists" as you call them, are not the ones trying to impose their value system on everyone else. That statement is pure projection from the left!

Not at all. If a constitutional amendment passes that does not force states to recognize non-traditional marriages from other states, fine. But what the fundies want is one that says simply: "A marriage can only be between one man and one woman". That's my belief too, but unlike some here, I do not wish to superimpose my beliefs on folks in other states. I will work to ensure that only traditional marriage is recognized in my state, and believe that, for now, DOMA will protect my state from having to recognize non-traditional marriages from other states. But perhaps if any fundamentalist here want to weigh in and state categorically that they do not wish to interfere with the powers of any state in this regard, but only ensure that DOMA is not overturned, then I will cautiously withdraw that broad brush.

78 posted on 05/27/2006 11:10:16 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: JCEccles
Gay marriage is about a small group of self-indulgent nuts forcing their sickness on the rest of us.

You must support the sickness, hence your confused posts.

Why don't you try a different tact. Actually respond to my post instead of throwing out stupid statements that have no relevance to the topic.

79 posted on 05/27/2006 11:15:20 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: SealSeven

See Section 132 of the Doctrine and Covenants and Chapter 2 of the Book of Jacob in the Book of Mormon.


80 posted on 05/27/2006 11:17:57 AM PDT by Logophile
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