Posted on 05/26/2006 5:55:18 PM PDT by Pokey78
"Well, to be consistent, I would suggest that you should also blame Ronald Reagan.
In fact, if you look at the bill the Senate recently passed (a couple of days ago), the language in it is not much different than what was passed during the Reagan Administration."
We can blame Reagan for the mistake of the first amensty, yes.
BUT ONE WOULD HOPE WE LEARNED OUR LESSON. apparently we have not. I DON'T THINK RONALD REAGAN WOULD MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE.
"And this week I had 1,578 call in against the bill and 12 called in for it.
That's what I'm hearing everywhere I go."
Darn it... I never called or emailed her ... I would have made it 1,579 against to 12 for.
"OK, I'm sure poor Senator Hutinson has been spoofed by a bunch of border trolls..."
Here's the deal: Every Democr*p and RINO who voted for this... we just need to send a letter to the editor about how their brain-dead Senator just voted for the worst piece of legislation in decades.
The House passed a viable and responsible bill.
The Senate passed a vile special-interest-written sellout to open borders fanatics that is quite possibly the worst bill either House of Congress has produced in decades.
I hope in conference the House mostly gets its way. I think some of the Senate crap will have to stick.
What are the choices? I think it is better to pass this now. The Republicans will be seen as able to govern and to fulfill what was outlined in President Bush's well-received speech. Conversely, if it dies, Republicans will be seen as unable to govern. If the Dems win control, which I do not expect, but if they do, we will truly get the immigration bill from Hell.
No. It's not going to happen and you know it as well as I do.
"What are the choices?"
1) Pass HR4437 or something similar by reported such out of conference committee (and btw, why all the media attention on the House needing to budge... why not budgeing the *Senate*?!?)
2) Frist brings up HR4437 to a vote in the Senate
3) If we pass any sham-nesty like what's in the Senate bill ... kiss the GOP majority goodbye for a *generation*!
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15165
4) Doing nothing is far far better for the country and the GOP than passing sham-nesty, so ... if nothing happens, so be it. Politically, the BEST way to 'do nothing' is for the conference to report out a very conservative immigration bill, and watch the Democrats vote it down.
The way to do that? - Simple: Eliminate the path to citizenship for illegal aliens, eliminate the full-bore amnesty and put in the Isaakson amendment so that it wont kick in until the eonforcement does.
... it would be a much better bill substantively, and thuis would be hated by Democrats.
"The Republicans will be seen as able to govern and to fulfill what was outlined in President Bush's well-received speech. "
Gawd, you seriously dont believe that, do you?
that was not a well-received speech and it was deceptive in many respects, in particular how it mischaracterized the Senate bill.
"Conversely, if it dies, Republicans will be seen as unable to govern. "
hogwash... failure to pass one bill does not mean that at all. If the GOP can get drilling in ANWR, *THAT* would show whether they can govern. PASSING A KENNEDY WRITTEN IMMIGRATION BILL IS NOT A SIGN OF GOP DOMINANCE!!
Have we learned nothing from the Medicare drug fiasco? dont they know passing poorly-written liberal laws does not help the GOP?!?
"It is clear the people who drafted this legislation had an agenda and the agenda was not to meet the expectations of the American people. The agenda was to create a facade and appearance of enforcement, an appearance of toughness in some instances. When you get into the meat of the provisions and get into the bill and study it, tucked away here and there are laws that eviscerate and eliminate the real effectiveness of those provisions. It was carefully done and deliberately done. This is a bill that should not become law. It is a bill that will come back to be an embarrassment to our Members who have supported it. I wish it were not so. I know how these things happen. You do not always have time to do everything you want to do. You try to do something you think is right, but ultimately in a bill as important as this one that has tremendous impact on the future of our country and our legal system and our commitment to the rule of law, we ought to get it right. We ought not to let this one slide by. It is not acceptable to say, let’s just pass something and we will send it to the House and maybe the House of Representatives will stand up and stop it and fix it. That is not acceptable for the great Senate of the United States." - Sen Sessions
Please go point by point and tell us which will or will not be possible.
I admit SOME of those things could happen...but not enough of them to be an effective deterant to illegal immigration.
I say we build the wall.
["I DON'T THINK RONALD REAGAN WOULD MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE."]
Yes, I don't think Ronald Reagan would make two mistakes in a row (that's a British interpretation of "row" albeit I'm a Serb).
Maybe, maybe not. If the House holds firm, and we get no bill, or an enforcement only bill, the stage is set for someone, anyone, to come along in 08 and claim this issue. In 1976, people said the Soviets were a fact of life, get used to them and find a way to accommodate. Then someone came along and said let's defeat them instead. I think encouraging 12 million people who are here illegally to leave can be accomplished a lot easier, by a mix of policies that don't have to be too draconian. Just enforce existing laws. When that is done, and the border is secure, then I would be among those who would love to talk about a program that allows temporary and seasonal workers to come here, if needed. There should be a showing that there can be no substitute for Mexican workers, not simply that Americans won't work for those wages.
Yes it does. Politics is never about doing the right thing. It's about self-interest and staying in office.
The Senate's bill is proof that the Democrats have the power in their chamber. That fact continues to escape people's attention. But, since we have elected the people that are in there then this immigration proposal is going to be all about compromise for the best deal possible. Since we are not starting with much then we get what we get.
Mike Pence's bill is the best that I have seen.
Be careful, Mr. Kristol. The President turns a corner and you're going to have a broken nose.
:^)
Those are amazing numbers.
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