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Kissinger told China communist takeover in Vietnam was acceptable: documents
Canada.com ^ | May 26, 2006 | Calvin Woodward

Posted on 05/26/2006 5:48:12 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: Torie
Well given that the US was not going back in, wasn't that the inevitable end result? Kissinger was stating the obvious.

Always keep your enemies guessing. Don't give them anything more than the usual BS. After the clashes between the Soviets and Chicoms in 1969 on the Ussuri River, there was no need for Kissinger to try to ingratiate himself with his predictions about the possible future.

41 posted on 05/26/2006 9:09:28 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Kissinger was a globalist. Never trusted the man.


42 posted on 05/26/2006 9:10:57 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Paladin2
Kissenger needs to be keelhauled.

He was just expressing US policy at the time...what the hell else was he supposed to say?

43 posted on 05/26/2006 9:13:31 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Buffalo Head
Please provide your source for that statement

Common Sense is one sourse. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, Vietnam has lost its security blanket...its protection from any possible invasion from the North (China). Now, without the USSR, there is no balance of power in Asia. China is IT! So, where else would Vietnam go?

There are several sources out there. I've also read in a few places that the US has been allowed to reopen an old base in Vietnam but mostly to store equipment for any possible war with China (if they were to try to invade Vietnam). This base is used more for storage than it is for actual US military personel.

Another concern of Vietnam is Al Qaeda and the Islamic Radicals in Indochina. US and Vietnam are also training together to fight the WOT in the region.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0207/p07s02-woap.html

44 posted on 05/26/2006 9:17:07 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: pepsionice
I don't know where you got the fairy tale that Nixon and Kissinger, who DIDN'T TAKE OFFICE UNTIL JANUARY 1, 1969, somehow had the opportunity to end the war in 1968, when Lyndon Johnson was still President.

Further, the peace talks didn't even start for a protracted period thereafter, over a dispute on the shape of the table and who would get to sit where - meaning the N Viets would not allow S Viet to attend as an equal. Nixon escalated and expanded the attacks in SoutEast Asia as we withdrew in constant effort to bring the N Viets to an agreement.

It was Johnson who launced a "Christmas Bombing". Nixon finally won teh peace by mining the N Viet harbors and choking off their supplies.

I lived through it and I don't know where you got the fantasy that Nixon delayed getting a peace treaty deliberately for 4 years. That is pure nonsense. And Nixon got a treaty that would never have been violated if he remained as president. It was the democrats in Congress who gave N Viet a pass on a giant tank attack after Nixon resigned (once again the honorable approach versus scumbag Clinton and his puppet Albright).

But then I can't take you seriously after you just said that moron Albright and scoundrel Clinton were more "true" to our nation than Nixon and Kissinger. It was Clinton who TOOK THE CHICOM'S ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN CASH, sold them advanced computers for their nuclear missile program, and embraced them as "strategic partners" as they were emerging as our greatest threat.

45 posted on 05/26/2006 9:28:07 PM PDT by Williams
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To: volman13

>>>In Vietnam, the Americans were never able to match the willpower of the North Vietnamese.

In Vietnam, the Americans never allowed themselves the option of bombing North Vietnam -- particularly Hanoi -- back to the pre-Cambrian era.


46 posted on 05/26/2006 9:40:37 PM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: pepsionice
It is largely considered fact that Kissenger stalled the peacetalks in 1968 (as chief of negoations) because he knew that Nixon would offer him the job of secretary of state, if he did so.

He probably stalled the peace talks in 1968 so as to give Nixon time to fight his secret war in Cambodia. We all remember John Kerry's recollections of Christmas 1968, which he spent in Cambodia after being ordered there by President Nixon.

47 posted on 05/26/2006 9:42:55 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Williams
It was Johnson who launced a "Christmas Bombing". Nixon finally won teh peace by mining the N Viet harbors and choking off their supplies.

At least when Richard Nixon ordered the Christmas bombing of Hanoi and Haiphong between Dec. 18 and 30, 1972 by 700 B-52's, he was attacking the enemy.

LBJ launched Rolling Thunder.

48 posted on 05/26/2006 10:23:56 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Mrs Zip

ping


50 posted on 05/27/2006 12:54:50 AM PDT by zip (((Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough become truth to 48% of all Americans (NRA)))))
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To: Bahbah

Either that or be appointed UN General Secretary.


51 posted on 05/27/2006 1:00:45 AM PDT by TeddyCon
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To: neverdem
"We succeeded in it and then when we had achieved our goal, our domestic situation made it impossible to sustain it,"

Sound a bit like 'I voted for it before I voted against it'??
WE did good...everyone else, well, didn't.
(Or; we succeeded before we fell on our ass)

"It is because a country cannot be asked to engage in major acts of betrayal as a basis of its foreign policy."

SINCE WHEN?

I'd give up all claims on Carter and Clinton I just to be able to drop the trap on Kissinger.

52 posted on 05/27/2006 1:40:07 AM PDT by norton
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To: MaineVoter2002
So, you don't have a reputable source, just your imagination and speculation. Posters on this forum may submit either fact or opinion. "Facts" should be supportable and opinion so identified. To do otherwise is a disservice to the purpose of FR.
53 posted on 05/27/2006 6:09:11 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Fiji Hill
Once again, neither Nixon or Kissinger was in office in 1968. The talks were stalled over many things thereafter, but certainly no peace deal was available when Nixon first took office. The efforts in Cambodia, Laos,and even raids into N Vietnam were all designed to bring N vietnam to an agreement, not to delay one.

Anyone who lived through that era, with high casualties and millions in the streets protesting, knows that Nixon would have given anything for an honorable peace at the earliest possible date.

54 posted on 05/27/2006 6:32:39 AM PDT by Williams
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To: Buffalo Head
So, you don't have a reputable source, just your imagination and speculation. Posters on this forum may submit either fact or opinion. "Facts" should be supportable

Been there and done that on this issue long ago during the time the US Military ship went up the river in vn and these aricles were posted from different sources including the BBC. If you doubt me, GOOGLE it. I already posted you one article URL. What the US and VN are doing now is too much off-topic for me to go so deep as start posting URLs in this thread which deals with Kissenger and what he told China in the 1970s...THAT would be a disservice to FR.

55 posted on 05/27/2006 7:40:25 AM PDT by MaineVoter2002
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To: volman13
In Vietnam, the Americans were never able to match the willpower of the North Vietnamese.

On several ocasions, such as the Battle of An Loc, perhaps the Stalingrad of the Vietnam War, the South Vietnamese showed that they did, indeed, have the will to fight and defeat their North Vietnamese adversaries. I believe they would have been able to hold on indefinitely had they not been allowed to run out of ammunition.

56 posted on 05/27/2006 8:52:23 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: neverdem
What ever your take on this the overall "Detente" was never a good deal... bottom line it was way to driven by Country Club Republican "Rope Sellers"... that why they hated Reagan
58 posted on 05/27/2006 11:37:01 AM PDT by tophat9000 (If it was illegal French Canadians would La Raza back them? Racist back there race over country)
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To: WLR
Thanks for the insightful analysis and I contend it is correct.

That night I saw the Berlin Wall coming down may have been the most satisfying and prideful moment in my life. That symbol of inhumanaty was being erased. I cried briefly knowing my Dad and some friends lost in VN didn't live to see it. I also knew our purpose was validated.

God Bless America.

60 posted on 05/27/2006 3:06:27 PM PDT by oyez (Appeasement is insanity)
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