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Not Fit to Shine McCain's Boots
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | May 26, 2006 | Christine M. Flowers

Posted on 05/26/2006 3:23:30 PM PDT by RWR8189

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To: avacado

You took the words out of my mouth, at least regarding those who belittle Sen. McCain's service.


101 posted on 05/26/2006 8:36:12 PM PDT by zook
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To: americanstrategist
John McCain was a war hero. These Democrats need to realize that if it were not for people like him, they couldn't stand up and make their ridiculous protests.

And everyone else needs to start realizing that simply because someone does something at one point in one's life, that doesn't give them a perpetual mulligan politically!

McCain's a hero! Fine! But he's a self-servant now and as such he's open to the same criticism that everyone else is. In the meantime, we've heard this all before. It's long past, he's fine, and he's got millions coming at the hands of taxpayers when he retires. I think that's more than enough to get his a$$ doing what's right for the nation for a change instead of once again having to "be cut slack" due to his socialist views and votes that are near treasonous!

102 posted on 05/26/2006 8:48:49 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: brazzaville
--- Does McCain deserve more respect than we give to anyone who risks his life for us? ---

Not more respect, but he doesn't, nor has he earned it, disrespect for his service. As I answered earlier.

"I would never vote for McCain, but McCain served with the highest honors and he has NEVER stood before the people of America and called our brave U.S. troops killers, as Kerry and Murtha have done."

103 posted on 05/27/2006 5:00:55 AM PDT by avacado
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To: RWR8189

McCain used his daddy, a Senator, to get prefferential treatment during his imprisonment.

He is a coward, and a liar.


104 posted on 05/27/2006 5:55:19 AM PDT by MonroeDNA (God created evolution.)
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To: RetiredSWO
Good that you only can read a partial sentence and start lobbing your insults, yet ignore what the meaning of hero means. Did I say ALL pilots that eject are not heros? No I said that bailing out and surviving torture does not mean the same thing. If it does then compare John McCain "Hero" with Audey Murphey "Hero" status. Try reading it again very slowly

Maybe I'm the only retard in the world that does not think that getting shot down because you suck as a pilot and surviving torture ranks as heroic in the same vein as what an Audey Murphy, George Patton or George Washington did in their heroics

105 posted on 05/27/2006 6:15:05 AM PDT by Bommer (Attention illegals: Why don't you do the jobs we can't do? Like fix your own countries problems!)
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To: TheCrusader
Why do people think that being a veteran automatically makes a person honest and trustworthy?

That's a good question. I wonder if people know that Ted Chapaquidic Fats Kennedy was a service man. Served in Germany during the Korean war.

106 posted on 05/27/2006 7:28:38 AM PDT by metalurgist (Believe in my God or I will kill you! The cry of all religious extremists.)
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To: avacado
Good morning.
"Not more respect, but he doesn't, nor has he earned it, disrespect for his service."

Yes, that is true. Except of, course for the way he and john kerry dissed and betrayed the POWs/MIAs and their families.

Thank you, that's a much better response than last time.

OT, but did you know that the carrier he was flying from when he was shot down, the Oriskany, was recently blown up and sunk to create an artificial reef. My wife's first husband did three deployments as a green shirt aboard the Big "O". At least it wasn't cut up for scrap and sold to the Chinese.

It's not the correct way to say it, but Happy Memorial Day.

Michael Frazier
107 posted on 05/27/2006 7:44:50 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: MonroeDNA
McCain used his daddy, a Senator, to get prefferential treatment during his imprisonment.

No, that is incorrect. Mclame's father was an admiral. I don't know if this got him prefferential treatment by the vc but it did get him prefferential treatment in flight school and kept him from being washed out. Which when you look back on things wasn't really a favor because it put him in a plane that got shot down and he got to be tortured.

108 posted on 05/27/2006 8:05:55 AM PDT by metalurgist (Believe in my God or I will kill you! The cry of all religious extremists.)
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To: brazzaville

Happy Memorial Day to you too. Thanks for the reply. I got off on the wrong foot and for that I apologize!


109 posted on 05/27/2006 8:15:32 AM PDT by avacado
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To: RWR8189
McCain's habit of redefining words to mean exactly what he wants them to mean is frustrating, but he certainly doesn't deserve what he got in this instance.

OTOH, I wonder if he was speaking at that college to get out of having to vote on the border fence issue...
110 posted on 05/27/2006 8:22:21 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: RWR8189
Disagree with his politics, mistrust his shifting political alliances, but no one who's benefited from the tortured sacrifices he made at the Hanoi Hilton should question his integrity.

But some who did "benefit" thusly do and have.

One wonders if this had been the solidly conservative Congressman Sam Johnson, who spent a year and half longer in the Hanoi Hilton than Senator McCain, that former Senator (and SEAL) Kerrey would have defended him as vigorously, and if this writer would have written this article? Somehow I doubt it, especially in the case of the writer. Bob Kerrey probably would have defended Sam Johnson's right to speak, although it's unlikely he would have supported Johnson being invited to speak.

111 posted on 05/27/2006 9:38:36 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Logical me
Yeah, he won the war by himself. Oh, that's right, we lost.

He may not have won the war himself, but the US, allied and South Vietnamese militaries did. Only to have it lost in the conference rooms of Paris and most especially in the Democratic Cloakrooms of Congress.

112 posted on 05/27/2006 9:43:43 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: avacado
McCain served with the highest honors and he has NEVER stood before the people of America and called our brave U.S. troops killers,

True, he only called them torturers, and by implication war criminals. The torture in question involved panties on the prisoners heads, humiliation, etc, but by implication, he made it one with the sort of real torture he and the other POW's of the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong suffered. It was nothing at all like that, and, IMHO, was no torture at all.

113 posted on 05/27/2006 9:50:42 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: RWR8189

While Kerrey's politics are left of Lenin, he is certainly an American hero. He is not running for any office and should not be abused by left wing scum. On the other hand, Mc Pain is a patently, certified political fraud and like his buddy, John Kerry, is wide open for criticism from both left and right.


114 posted on 05/27/2006 9:53:51 AM PDT by hgro
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To: sauropod

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115 posted on 05/27/2006 9:54:01 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: RetiredSWO
If you think only sucky pilots get shot down then,yes, you are a retard.

Good pilots get shot down, and being a sucky pilot doesn't necessarily mean one isn't doing the best one can. Given a chance, I'd probably have been a sucky pilot. They were smart enough not to give me such a chance.

But by all reports, McCain was a sucky pilot, whose father was an Admiral (CINCPAC in fact, a submariner), as had his grandfather been in WW-II (Commander Aircraft South Pacific Forces).

116 posted on 05/27/2006 10:17:05 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: MonroeDNA
McCain used his daddy, a Senator, to get prefferential treatment during his imprisonment.

Better check your facts. His father was the four star admiral in charge of all US Forces (not just Navy) in the Pacific. CincPac was his title. He was never a Senator. His father before him had also been an Admiral, in charge of all air forces in the South Pacific theater in WW-II.

Only John S. McCain III dishonored the family name by becoming a politician.

117 posted on 05/27/2006 10:26:06 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
I didn't realize that he had said that. In that case, I must review my thoughts on the man. That is unacceptable. Thanks for the info.
118 posted on 05/27/2006 12:10:56 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Bommer
I agree, Bommer. 'the Talker" doesn't deserve hero status.



McCain wasn't part of the solution.....

119 posted on 05/27/2006 12:24:13 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny!)
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To: El Gato

You are correct, his father was an admiral, and he told the vc that as soon as he was caught.

He did get preferential treatment.


120 posted on 05/27/2006 2:33:05 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (God created evolution.)
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