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Boeing Delivers Final 717s; Concludes Commercial Production in California
The Boeing Company ^ | May 23, 2006 | The Boeing Company

Posted on 05/24/2006 8:23:32 AM PDT by COEXERJ145

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To: Carry_Okie
Better is to fund myriad mini-corporations within and license the spinoffs. You know, free enterprise instead of government protected mercantilism.

That's what most corporations do, with the parent company owning the stock or membership interest in the entity that hold the IP. The IP benefits the parent company, and its shareholders, who paid for the IP by buying the rights to it or by employing and paying those who produced it at no personal risk and expense to themselves.

41 posted on 05/24/2006 1:31:17 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: COEXERJ145
When I was a young man, there was the Douglas corporate tower on Lakewood Boulevard and the sprawling plant on both sides of the street. Now all of that is gone forever. All that's left is the memory of the days planes were built in huge numbers in Long Beach, California. I know life has to go on and there better things to come but a part of me feels like something wonderful has been taken away from the city I love and where I have spent the better part of my life.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

42 posted on 05/24/2006 2:02:27 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Larry Lucido
That's what most corporations do...

Not on the borderline individual scale I am advocating.

43 posted on 05/24/2006 3:03:01 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: Carry_Okie
From what I can tell, the ROI on developing technical skills sucks, bigtime. As long as that's the case, this nation will be screaming for H1-B visas because nobody with that kind of ability would be dumb enough to make the investment. They'll become lawyers instead.

Great point.

44 posted on 05/24/2006 3:14:13 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom
Just don't sit in the back of a 717. The noise is unbelievable.

This plane has always scared the carp out of me. Engines just don't look like they can do the job. But they have, over the years. Great track record.

45 posted on 05/24/2006 4:22:18 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Better Living Through Government Interference - Democrats Platform)
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To: steveegg
Embraer almost certainly enjoys gubmint subsidies from the Canadian government that Boeing neither enjoys from the US government nor would receive from the Canadian government.

Why would Canada give subsidies to a Brazilian company?

46 posted on 05/24/2006 4:56:56 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Where does the BBJ come in?


47 posted on 05/24/2006 6:25:38 PM PDT by phantomworker (And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, will keep your hearts and your minds...)
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To: phantomworker

It is a high gross weitght version of the 737-700 with a provision for extra (removable) fuel tanks in the cargo hold. It is just a 737-700 with the wings and landing gear of the 737-800. Apparently Boeing has started marketing it to airlines as the 737-700ER. It is also the basis for the 737-700C convertible cargo version and the Navy C-40A, Airforce C-40B, and the Congressional (pork) C-40C. The BBJ in no way is a suitable plane for short range hops the way a regional jet is.


48 posted on 05/24/2006 7:11:48 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/bbj1/

The spacious 807ft² cabin can be customised to meet individual or business requirements for 8 to 149 passengers.

They don't seem to advertise it too much. Maybe there is not too much of a profit margin?


49 posted on 05/24/2006 7:17:07 PM PDT by phantomworker (And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, will keep your hearts and your minds...)
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To: AGreatPer
Not sure about the DC-9 (aka the Boeing 717), but the MD-80 uses P&W JT8D's, rated around 20k lbs. thrust, with a 1.74 (low) bypass ratio. They are loud, and yes I have sat at the rear of these aircraft, but it's a swishy/whiny kind of loud, not a deep vibrating buzz as found on the 737-900 with it's super-high bypass engines.

Truth be told, I almost miss for nostalgia's sake the deafening shriek of the old water-cooled turbojets on the early 707's. Realize they're not at all efficient, but oh that sound! Fortunately their descendents live on in our military fighter jets.

50 posted on 05/24/2006 8:05:55 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: COEXERJ145

Looks like an MD-80.


51 posted on 05/24/2006 10:55:39 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: phantomworker

Too big. Who needs a 150 seat business jet?


52 posted on 05/24/2006 11:01:35 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine

The ones who don't need to seat 8?


53 posted on 05/24/2006 11:04:47 PM PDT by phantomworker (And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, will keep your hearts and your minds...)
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Too big. Who needs a 150 seat business jet?

Who needs an 80 seat executive jet?


54 posted on 05/25/2006 5:38:57 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: phantomworker; monkeyshine
The ones who don't need to seat 8?

I still like the converted 757's better. Supposedly the only reason there was no BBJ model based on the 757 was that it is a joint venture with GE and there was no option for GE engines on the 757.

55 posted on 05/25/2006 5:43:25 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

Interesting, didn't know that. That might have kept the 757 line going.


56 posted on 05/25/2006 6:16:54 AM PDT by phantomworker (And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, will keep your hearts and your minds...)
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To: phantomworker
Interesting, didn't know that. That might have kept the 757 line going.

I doubt it. Anyone looking for a 757 sized business jet can find a 757 from an airline that needs a D-check for a lot less than the cost of a new 757 or even a much smaller business jet. Considering how few hours business jets are flown, a well maintained former airliner is just as good as a new plane.

57 posted on 05/25/2006 8:00:54 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: calex59
Since the employee was the one who actually had the thoughts( and thoughts belong to the person who thinks them)and the ideas and the company provided the capital to put them into effect, they should be partners with the originator of the intellectual property gettting a percentage of the profits.

It all depends on your contract. You should be set set as long as you don't see the words "work for hire" or anything about assigning patents in the contract. In work for hire, you basically sell your interest in the work by receiving payment up front.

58 posted on 05/25/2006 9:38:04 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Ditto
You pay them all for their services and labor. Do they own your house, or do you own it?

You have to extend that a bit and make it depend on the contract. Did the civil engineer have to invent something special in order for your house to be built? If so, it's his. Did you ask the civil engineer to invent something so that he could engineer the house? If so, did you specify that patents must be assigned to you? If you did, you probably paid the engineer a more than if he kept it.

Did you ask the architect to do work for hire, or have a contract to assign the architectural drawing copyrights to you? If so, they're yours, and you paid more for the architect's services.

Companies would be out a lot of money if employees kept a right to everything, and salaries would be less. Also, let's say IBM did it this way. With thousands of patents coming from thousands of employee inventors, could you imagine the legal department necessary to control all of those patents? At the very least, they'd have to contract IBM to control all the patents, but with royalties being paid to the inventors -- enter a big royalty department like the record labels have.

59 posted on 05/25/2006 9:46:32 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Paleo Conservative

Yeah, but the President flies with aides, security staff, and the press.


60 posted on 05/25/2006 11:43:27 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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