The Essential President Bush [Bush did not abandon us; we abandoned him]

The Anchoress ^ | 05/22/06 | The Anchoress

[avacado]

Excellent article. If I could write that well, I would have written exactly that.

Thanks!

[ohioWfan]

Your first five posts on this thread back me up. (Although I do find it amusing that you are now so hurt by being called a poster boy, when you felt free to level insults that were downright evil).

At any rate.......I have a better idea for you. Why don't you just start acting like a conservative on this forum?? Then you wouldn't have anything to prove by this imaginary 'debate.'

And it'll save you a bundle of money, too.

(btw, I really don't bet).

[wizardoz]

Well, clicking on your name, hitting "find in forum" and then running a search for "traitor" actually finds you slinging that word around a lot. In fact, the more I read your posts on this thread and others, the more I see of this nonsense that people who want the president to be more conservative are not "real conservatives," are "pseudo-conservatives," are "working against us on the War on Terror" and trying to "destroy the forum and the whole conservative movement," and "extremists...vile... vitriolic..."

You spend more time fighting other conservatives over minor details than you do in attempting to combate actual liberalism. All your posts I've found are about the sins of the 'not real conservative' conservatives. That's like your thing. Bashing other conservatives for not being as what you think a conservative should be. You're just a real little Mary Sunshine. It would be nice if you were fighting the enemy rather than trying to control the troops.

[Cyropaedia]

there are FOUR borders and airports, which need tending to; not to mention overstayed visas. But give the man his due...he is THE first president, since Ike, to actually try to get something done about the illegal problem.

Uh...that's a lie. As I recall, a republican named "Eisenhower" did "something" about America's illegal problem did he not...?

Reagan did not offer blanket amnesty to all illegals with the '86 Act...please get your facts straight.

And no, Dubya is not greater than T.Jefferson, no way, no how.

[wizardoz]

Of course, before you can be a "real" conservative, you must let OhioWFan tell you what a "real" conservative is. She'll make you a list, see, she'll tell you what "real" conservatism is. She's actually the only "real" conservative. All the rest of us are fakes until she says otherwise.

[ohioWfan]

The traitors are people like John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, wiz.

I 'sling' it around because I love this country dearly, and I don't want it to be in the hands of the traitorous left. There are people on this forum who are recommending that we should do just that, and I will call them on it every time.

I'm surprised you don't feel the same way.

(And I'm not fighting other conservatives. I'm fighting trolls POSING as conservatives, and the extremists on this forum who would rather have the left in power than an honorable man like George W. Bush).

I've said it many times on this forum because it is true. NO one who wants to get rid of Republicans and replace them with Democrats is a conservative.

[Cyropaedia]

My problem...you did mention Ike.....may fault. Sorry, I stand corrected. Reagan tried something in'86 but it was a flawed piece of legislation.

[ohioWfan]

Polite freepers ping the person they are falsely accusing, wiz.

Shame on you.

[BellStar]

Thanks M. Thatcher!

[stuck_in_new_orleans]

Im not getting into this tit for tat NONSENSE game of yours. In your eyes, GWB could smear feces on the bible and you'd be the first to defend him as a "great man".

[wizardoz]

You're surprised I don't feel the same way? I'm surprised to learn you think you know how I feel. You have no idea how I feel, and before you decide you know me, you need to know me.

Now I went through and read all your posts because you asked me to. You need to grant me the same consideration because most of what you seem to have assumed about me is demonstrably wrong.

[FastCoyote]

Yes, a few of the Bush fans are quite out of control, calling everyone else faux conservatives. What a shame, some of the people they are calling names I am sure have sacrificed a lot for conservative issues.

[ohioWfan]

Thanks for revealing that about yourself, stuck.

[x]

We take politicians on trust. When we vote for them we accept them as they are, but we hope that they'll rise above what they've been. If we're clear eyed about things, we hope that they'll be better than just the usual politican or office seeker, but our hopes aren't always well founded.

People who vote for politicians pay them the tribute of thinking that such leaders would grow in office. Many voters wouldn't bother otherwise. And when it doesn't happen, it certainly does irk the electorate.

That's how people could be "disappointed" with Bill Clinton. We say Clinton as he was. They saw him as they dreamed he could be. And they were "surprised" and "disappointed" by his inability to rise above himself, his past record, and his personal limitations. It was like that with Nixon as well.

And it's like that with Bush. I'm not "surprised" by his performance. It's what I could have expected. But I am disappointed that he didn't do better on some key issues. It's not a question of honesty as it was with Clinton and Nixon.

I don't think it's so much a matter of ideology, either. Well, it is with regard to immigration. But it has more to do with competency and how well the administration handles things. I agree with President Bush on most of the issues, but am disappointed by his performance.

[ohioWfan]

LOL! You have posted a string of posts about me that are completely false, and you object to my noticing that you don't agree that leftists are traitors? (Every time I used the word 'traitor' it was in reference to the left. That's a hard, cold fact).

I think this conversation is over, wiz.

If you can't handle dissent, perhaps you shouldn't jump in and make things up about someone else.

[ohioWfan]

Hey, Fast........have you forgotten that you came onto this thread with horrific and false accusations of a whole lot of good, solid, activist conservatives?

You are completely two faced when you then whine that someone gives you back what you dish out.

Perhaps if you didn't make such ugly, false accusations, others would have a modicum of respect for you.

When you start behaving like an adult, you might be surprised that the adults on this forum treat you like one. Until then, don't be surprised if people respond to you as you deserve when you make childish and ugly.......not to mention sacrilegious..... accusations.

Whatever you got on this thread, you ASKED for. Don't whine about it. It's intellectually dishonest.

[wizardoz]

I don't even think I can parse that last bit of babble... "object to my noticing that you don't agree..." OH, I get it... you want to make assumptions about me and demand that I spend my time defending myself to you.

Let's see, let me go back (again) and look at my posts and see what I said about you: that you're controlling (well, you are) that you want to silence dissent (sure looks that way to me), that you characterize freepers whom you disagree with as "not real conservatives" (well, you do and anyone ringing up your posts can see it plain as day.)

I took the time to look back through your posts and see if I was indeed characterizing you fairly. But you're not going to do the same. You'll just hurl all sorts of b.s. and if I don't spend my time placating you, you crow that you're right about me. You're not right. You're just officious and lazy.

Shall I placate you even though I think you're actually not the kind of conservative I want to be associated with? Sure, what the heck: The left are most certainly traitors. And you'd know I felt this way if you spent a minute double-checking my posts the way you demanded I double-check yours. Sure would be nice to find someone around here who practices what they preach.

You've said this conversation is over and frankly, I'm fine with that. Now I'll just sit back and enjoy watching you struggle between the competing desires of being the one who got to say "it's over" vs being the one who got the last word in. I'm sure both positions appeal to someone like you.

[MEGoody]

Why should I take my meds

You're suffering from hysteria. If you don't have meds, get some.

[CitizenJ]

Thanks.

[ohioWfan]

Nice try at martyrdom, wiz......but the only reason you checked out my posts was that I asked you to document your lies that I had called other conservatives who don't agree with me 'traitors.'

Of course, you couldn't, because I have never ever said that in five and half years of posting on this forum.

As far as my seeking to silence dissent, that's completely laughable. I started a thread on illegal immigration, and invited all sides of the issue to discuss things rationally and politely, and come up with activist ideas........things we could do to solve the problem.

It was a booming success with over 11,000 hits on it.

Bottom line, you don't know what you're talking about, and THAT is why the conversation is over.