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Court Order Does Not Stop Students From Saying the Lord's Prayer and Thanking God
Liberty Counsel e-mail update | 5/22/06

Posted on 05/22/2006 6:46:45 AM PDT by dukeman

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To: tuvals

I was being sarcastic to make a point. Why must I spell it out. No matter how ridiculous I try to make it, there is always someone who takes it seriously.


21 posted on 05/22/2006 7:15:44 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: dukeman

Dare I ask, what prompted the judge to make the order in the first place?


22 posted on 05/22/2006 7:16:46 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: wagglebee

More on the student prayer thing.


23 posted on 05/22/2006 7:20:37 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Always Right
Yeah, I can only imagine the horrors of having to listen to someone say a prayer. Oh the humanity....

Personal prayer, fine. You guys have churches for the rest of that.

24 posted on 05/22/2006 7:23:44 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: dukeman

Bless their hearts and good for them.


25 posted on 05/22/2006 7:25:30 AM PDT by zook
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To: antiRepublicrat
Personal prayer, fine. You guys have churches for the rest of that.

So religious speech is to be limited to Churches?

26 posted on 05/22/2006 7:27:16 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: dukeman
There is indeed hope for this great nation under God. Cheers to those who are not afraid or ashamed of being a lamb among lions.
27 posted on 05/22/2006 7:37:15 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: Always Right

> Why must I spell it out.

Because when it comes to religion, some people don't have a sense of either humor or sarcasm.


28 posted on 05/22/2006 7:40:35 AM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: Always Right

> So religious speech is to be limited to Churches?

No. But religious speech should be limited *from* government. A public school graduation is argueably a governemtn function. If the audience wants to say the Lord's Prayer, or fall on their knees, point their butts to the sky and worship Allah, that's their affair, and no law in the land has a word to say about it. If, however, an agent of the government - be it elected official, teacher, principal or (very arguably) a student speaker - chooses to use the power of the government to evangelize.... that's not right.


29 posted on 05/22/2006 7:43:46 AM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: Always Right
So religious speech is to be limited to Churches?

No, but I don't appreciate turning a graduation into a religious revival. It's not appropriate, it hijacked the occasion.

But like I said, I do understand why they did it. It wouldn't have happened if not for the judge.

30 posted on 05/22/2006 7:54:40 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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If, however, an agent of the government - be it elected official, teacher, principal or (very arguably) a student speaker - chooses to use the power of the government to evangelize.... that's not right.

Actually a strict reading of the Constitution would show it is only Congress that is disallowed from making laws. Extrapolating that down to a student's speech is an obscene reading of the wording and intent of the Constitution. But I suppose that is why we have judges for, to interpret the Constitution to what they think it should say.

31 posted on 05/22/2006 7:54:54 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: burzum

Seem to recall Jeff Davis-Robert E.Lee--and other respected
Gentlemen also believed in this written Declaration.Some
have suggested that mere recognition of such invites another
Civil War.IMO ignoring such has led to this present darkness.


32 posted on 05/22/2006 7:55:35 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: edcoil

most probably a "progressive" education governed by the Soviet Communists and their "transmission belts in the ACLU.


33 posted on 05/22/2006 7:58:30 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: antiRepublicrat

Yea, absolutely. I mean, we can't have a secularist move to an area 90% Christian and have to undergo the pain of hearing that 90% decide they want to say a prayer together.... I like how your blessed tolerance only flows one way.


34 posted on 05/22/2006 8:00:25 AM PDT by newguy357
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To: orionblamblam
Because when it comes to religion, some people don't have a sense of either humor or sarcasm.

Either that or some people are just morons.
35 posted on 05/22/2006 8:01:23 AM PDT by newguy357
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To: antiRepublicrat
No, but I don't appreciate turning a graduation into a religious revival.

Suggesting that a simple prayer thanking God turns an event into a religous revival is pretty extreme viewpoint. Our country needs to come to a better balance. The current movement seems to be towards eliminating all public displays of faith is quite contrary to what our founding documents intended.

36 posted on 05/22/2006 8:02:18 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: burzum
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

Stunned silence is NOT consent; nor is being gagged.

It is odd how liberal judges find flag burning and such 'protected speech', but tar & feathering or effigy burning not.

37 posted on 05/22/2006 8:06:23 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (DeportaciĆ³n por los todos ilegales ahora: Si, se puede!)
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To: orionblamblam

So you disagree with what Dr.Benjamin Rush said in Defense of the Use of the Bible in Schools.,1830--and what Horace
Mann said of "inculcation of a common code of Christian morality"in the common schools.Mann was hardly a born again Christian-but I believe he would be as appalled at the
course taken in our public schools since the 1960's.


38 posted on 05/22/2006 8:07:09 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: TheRobb7

Ah, but what about the publics right to know./sarcasm


39 posted on 05/22/2006 8:12:04 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: orionblamblam
or (very arguably) a student speaker

You are so dead wrong on this. The student is not an agent of the government. The student does not work for the government. This is a very dangerous road you are travelling on. Try telling that or convincing parents of your logic. You are saying the student belongs to the government. That is wrong! The student has every right to thank God and/or offer a prayer.

40 posted on 05/22/2006 8:17:11 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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