Senate panel OKs gay-marriage ban (FINALLY!!!)

Reuters ^ | May 18, 2006 | Andy Sullivan

[gidget7]

It had been make it out of the Senate, or some RINO's are going to be looking for lobbying jobs.

It past time, for the Republican leadership to rally the party and make sure they tow the party line!

[sr4402]

Prayer Bump. May those who wish to adulterate marriage be unable to restrain their enthusiasm and true feeling. May it spill out in front of all Americans. May they be unable to restrain their vision for America and may America abhor it. For the sake of the Lord Jesus Christ and God's institution of Marriage, I ask it.

[Will_Zurmacht]

I'll be honest and take the flames on this issue..

I honestly couldn't care less if some queers across town want to get "married". I have yet to see how this will destory my world.

I struggled on this one for a while then decided that this "major issue" is about the dumbest, most ginned up thing I have ever seen. (I don't think it really is a marriage in the traditional sense that I think of a marriage, but then again, I don't consider black leather chaps to be formal wear either.)
If two gay guys across town want some kind of a "civil union" or some kind of a contractual arrangement to protect joint assets, etc., then I really have no beef with that? I wouldn't call it marriage, but they could.

I am pretty leery of gays adopting, but then again a lot of straight people make for j@ck@ss parents...so I'm left with going back to the character of the individual- as wierd as that sounds in this day and age.

I once thought that this would be an issue better left to the states. San Fransicko and Topeka, Kansas are different places. What might be acceptable in San Fran would not fly out here. But then there is the interstate contract issue.

Frankly,I can think of a half dozen other votes that the US Senate should have made today, but 'tis an election year and we must redirect the focus of Ma and Pa to the pink menace.
Ya'll can do what you want, but in 30 years on this green Earth I have never laid awake in my bed worrying about gay marriage.

end rant
and let the Will_Zurmacht bashing commence...hehe

[DTogo]

So they can approve a ban on gay marriage, but can't approve a "security first" resolution on our borders/immigration.

Talk about having your priorities backwards...

[Wormwood]

and let the Will_Zurmacht bashing commence

How about a little Will_Zurmacht agreeing instead?

Because you make a hell of a lot more sense than most people do on this subject.

[Tarpon]

I am tired of this sucker play. Every time there is an election coming up, they trot out the same old same old and try to make it look like they are trying to do something about it. Then after the election it's always the same story, sorry we tried.

By now we should have caught on and begun replacing the Rhinos in the primaries.

[ElkGroveDan]

I am a native of Calif. but choose not to live in rain and taxes anymore.

I don't know where you lived in California but the average rainfall here in Sacramento County is about 19". That's typical for most of the non-mountain parts of the state. Hawaii on the other hand gets far, far more rain. Over the ocean near Hawaii, rainfall averages between 25 and 30 inches a year. The islands receive as much as 15 times that amount in some places.

As far as taxes, according to The Tax Foundation estimates for 2006, state and local taxes per capita are $4451 for California and $4496 for Hawaii.

You may not be paying sales tax in Hawaii but you are more than making up for it. Your state collects a 4 percent general excise tax, which is assessed on all business activities, including retail sales, commissions, rental income and services. Other activities, such as wholesale sales, are taxed at 1/2 of 1 percent. It all adds up.

I'm glad you are happy in Hawaii, but the reasons you are giving to bash California are bogus.

[Wormwood]

It warms my heart to see a man who takes his tagline seriously ;-)

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

Republicans are doing what we want.

[Will_Zurmacht]

As a former resident of Sacramento, I kinda concur. I left during the Gov. Davis days-but I still have a little love for the place. There is good and bad in each region. Now that I live in Kansas, I once in a while get nostalgic for California. Then I look at housing costs and my 5 minute commute and it's better.

It all depends on what you are looking for. A lot of folks think Cali is a den of liberalism, and a few places are as wierd as anything you'll find on the planet. But for the most part California is like anywhere else, probably because half of the state was born somewhere else. My nextdoor neighbors in Sac were from Minnesota and Pennsylvania. Half the people in line at Raley's were from Texas, Florida or Guatemala...hehe

[StAnDeliver]

You know the rules...

[LuxMaker]

I honestly couldn't care less if some queers across town want to get "married". I have yet to see how this will destory my world.

Mark my words, if the homosexuals win their battles on the political front, NAMBA and their right to have their way with children are next to battle.

It will affect our world, in a very horrible way. Every society that has embraced homosexuality has collapsed. Yes, Rome is still around but it is no where near the empire that it once was. I for one, want to see America become greater and stronger. The path that we are following is not always leading in this direction.

[mkjessup]

P.S. Looks like you took the bait on continuing to hijack the thread. ;-)

Barn. Horse. Door. Already Gone.

[wardaddy]

I support a ban on homosexual marriage and support full amnesty for all Miss Universe finalists here illegally from anywhere in the world.

And full college scholarships for them as well.

and charge accounts as Neimans'

I know where to pander.

[Will_Zurmacht]

You very well may be right, the issue with the kids and adoptions has given me a great deal of pause.

As to the second part, I guess I just don't agree with frame of reference. I really don't think we want to be the next Roman empire. It's actually quite expensive and generally not worth the hassle. Just ask the Brits.
I guess it all depends on how we define the path to "greater and stronger" in terms of the republic.
I'd prefer it if we were just a nice, low-key free republic with limited goverment, low taxes, and freedom to live our lives. If people mess with us, we kill them. If they leave us alone, we will do likewise. In between times we will go to work and watch our kids grow up.
Maybe such a thing really is impossible in 2006.
Maybe gay marriage will destroy the republic.
I really don't know...

But I'd place my bets for real threats to the republic being a wierd combination of:
growing federal government dependency programs combined with rules and regulations for every little thing you may encounter in life, open borders & globalization that destorys national identity and the economic base, a failure to punish real criminals while hammering the poor slobs who stumble into the lion's den, a media driven cult of celebrity that turns your mind to mush while promoting a consumer's republic in which national identity is summed up by the slogan "Defend America, Use Your Credit Card & Go Shopping!". A system in which we talk about family values, while we shaft the working American family every April 15. Sigh...

I could go on but you can see there might be other threats to the republic besides the queers across town.
Just my humble opinion.

[Mr. Brightside]

We all want this amendment to pass.

We simply don't agree with you that America should kill homosexuals.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

I have an idea, if you disagree with gay marriage, don't marry a gay.

I have a better one... make marriage a secular, biological institution. Birth certificate = marriage certificate.

You are a Michael Jackson fan?

[Bishop_Malachi]

Will _Zurmacht wrote the following" "I'll be honest and take the flames on this issue.. I honestly couldn't care less if some queers across town want to get "married". I have yet to see how this will destory my world. I struggled on this one for a while then decided that this "major issue" is about the dumbest, most ginned up thing I have ever seen. (I don't think it really is a marriage in the traditional sense that I think of a marriage, but then again, I don't consider black leather chaps to be formal wear either.) If two gay guys across town want some kind of a "civil union" or some kind of a contractual arrangement to protect joint assets, etc., then I really have no beef with that? I wouldn't call it marriage, but they could. I am pretty leery of gays adopting, but then again a lot of straight people make for j@ck@ss parents...so I'm left with going back to the character of the individual- as wierd as that sounds in this day and age. I once thought that this would be an issue better left to the states. San Fransicko and Topeka, Kansas are different places. What might be acceptable in San Fran would not fly out here. But then there is the interstate contract issue. Frankly,I can think of a half dozen other votes that the US Senate should have made today, but 'tis an election year and we must redirect the focus of Ma and Pa to the pink menace. Ya'll can do what you want, but in 30 years on this green Earth I have never laid awake in my bed worrying about gay marriage. end rant and let the Will_Zurmacht bashing commence...hehe" Ok Will, I'm going to "flame" you now....here I go... I'll be honest and take the flames on this issue.. I honestly could care less if some state or local government wants to condemn property under eminent domain. I have yet to see how this could destroy my world. I struggled on this for awhile then decided that this "major issue" is about the dumbest, most ginned up thing I have ever seen. ( I don't think it really is respectful of property rights in the traditional sense, but then again, I don't consider high taxation to be an incentive for hard-work either.) If a couple of caring, thoughful liberals across town want to lower unemployment and increase the local tax base by compensating a private-property owner for their unused (and wasted) excess property and then building privately-owned, low-cost housing there, then I really have no beef with that. I would call it questionable, but they wouldn't. I'm pretty leery of liberals condemning the property of people who REALLY don't want to sell, but then again a lot of these people have wealth and property to spare...so I'm left with going back to that heartfelt saying "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" as weird as that sounds in this day and age. I once thought that this would be an issue better left to the states. New London and Palm Beach are different places. What flies in one place might not in the other. But then there's that Federal Supreme Court interpretation issue. Frankly, I can think of a half-dozen other votes that the U.S. Senate could have made today, but 'tis an election year and we must redirect the focus of Jethro and Bubba to the "Mexican Invasion". Y'all can do what you want, but in 36 years on this green Earth, I've never laid awake in my bed worrying about my own-imminent property-seizure. end rant and let the Bishop_Malachi bashing commence...hehe

[fish hawk]

I'm from Humboldt co. and this year they had nothing but rain. My daughter lives in sunny Santa Rosa and told me they have had nothing but rain this year. On the other hand, you don't know much about Hawaii. Yes it rains almost every day on the east side of an Island but the west side hardly gets any rain at all. You can pick your weather here. For instance , I live by the ocean on the sunny side of Maui (south and west side) if I want wet I can go to the other side (east) and get as much as I can stand. If it gets too hot down here on the lowland I can go upcountry to my friends farm (4000 ft) where it is still sunny but the air is about 15 degrees cooler. If I want cold I can go up to the crater (Haleakala) and freeze my butt off.

I've lived in Sacramento years ago and remember frying eggs on the sidewalk in the summer. I've been there recently to see relatives and your traffic sucks at least twice a day if not more. Of course Honolulu is that way too but I live on Maui, and that is "country". To be honest with you , I only said something bad about Calif. because of your tag line. Just wanted to see your comeback. I actually like Calif. from about Monterey north. The rest sucks.

[Will_Zurmacht]

my eyes are bleeding..hehe.
but I hear ya.