Traders Gun Shop Told to Close June 1(more jackbooted batfe abuse)

http://www.ebpublishing.com/ ^ | 5 18 06 | Jim Knowles

[El Gato]

I must have been thinking of Wesley Clark's Waco Compound Disaster. That was ATF. At least it was before the U.S. Army fired on the American citizens inside.

I have seen no evidence that anyone but BATF and FBI agents fired on the Waco Compound. Even the BATFE was only involved in the original raid/attack. There probably were Army or National Guard advisers (the equipment belonged to the Texas National Guard) on site to advice the FBIies on the use of the armored vehicles. Wesly Clark, as loathsome as he is, was involved very peripherally, if at all.

That was Janet Reno's disaster from the time the FBIies took over from the BATFers after the Davidians beat back the BATF attack.

[El Gato]

It's been a number of years since I purchased a firearm, but you'd think the record keeping system would have at least kept up with technology.

Oh come now, this is the government, and probably the most anal retentive arm of it. They have Rules you know, and the Rules are Holly Writ, even if they was writ in 1935 or 1969.

[El Gato]

If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.

Yet you seem to believe the quotes from the BATFE types, while not questioning what wasn't said or written about, such as how many guns they sold in that period.

[ridesthemiles]

This one defys logic. If "Traders" doesn't have the records, how does the ATF know the guns were purchaced in his store? The dealer keeps the records. They are not forwarded to the ATF. As usual, the ATF is a cancor on Freedom.""

In California, buyers are also cleared thru the state for purchases clearance, so the state has the data, and they share it with BATF.

[El Gato]

Let's send the ATF to the Mexican border. That manpower could better be used there.

Lets not and say we did. They are corrupt, in the sense that power corrupts, and incompetent. Send them to the border, and the number of illegals and the amount of drugs would probably increase

[El Gato]

That some of the guns sold by this place wind up used in crimes should be no surprise given the fact that it is one of the few large gun dealers still in business in the area and that they have sold many thousands of guns over the years. A more interesting statistic would be one showing what percentage of the guns sold by Traders have been used in self-defense against criminals.

It would also be interesting to find out what fraction of those "crime guns" were used by the person who the shop sold them to, rather than having been stolen from the buyer.

[El Gato]

I believe that murder was done by Lon Horiuchi of FBI's Hostage Rescue team, taking over for the US Marshals. The JBT with the MP5 pointed at Elian is probably HRT, as well.

The FBI took over from the BATFE, and Texas lawmen, not from the Marshals. The JBTs in the Elian case were from INS, not FBI HRT.

[El Gato]

When do we close down the ATFE due to THEIR shoddy record keeping?

Soon??

BTW, It's BATFE. Before they were BATF, even though like to be pretend they were a TLA (Three Letter Agency) they were a Four Letter Agency, and are now a Five Letter Agency. (Although to be fair, organizationally they are at the same level on the DoJ org chart as the FBI and DEA).

[brazzaville]

Good evening.
"The FBI took over from the BATFE, and Texas lawmen, not from the Marshals."

The Marshals had the Weaver home under surveillance for months and they are the ones who shot the Weaver boy and his dog, losing one of their own when Kevin Harris returned fire.

The FBI took over and besieged the home. One of their snipers, Lon Horiuchi shot Randy Weaver in the back and shot Vickie Weaver through the head, killing her and wounding Kevin Harris.

The incident took place in Idaho, so there weren't any Texas lawmen present, at least not officially.

I'm not sure of what agency the JBT scaring Elian was with, but I'm pretty sure you misread my post and confused what I wrote about Ruby Ridge with what happened at Waco.

It's easy enough to do, since many of the FBI people at Ruby Ridge were involved in the Branch Davidian massacre, including, I have been told, Lon Horiuchi.

Michael Frazier

[justshutupandtakeit]

So there are hundreds or thousands of these shops being harassed out of existence? The testimony of the gun shop owners earlier in the thread idicates that this particular operation is either too slipshod to perform the required documentation which all others do or it is just a criminal front. Pardon me if I cannot quite work up the requisite sympathy for these boys.

[looscnnn]

True, but if the manufacturer puts down that a certain SN got shiped to dealer A but it actually got shipped to dealer B, there would be no mismatch on A's paperwork because they did not get a gun does it have a SN on any paperwork. That is what I meant.

[RonF]

Yeah, but dealer A would get paperwork saying, "We shipped you gun X" without actually receiving it, and dealer B would get gun X with no covering paperwork. One of them at least, or both, would (if they were being properly run) raise a red flag over that.

[jmc813]

With which "unconstitutional" laws are you having a problem?

Any federal firearms law.

[justshutupandtakeit]

There was only one link to click.

[justshutupandtakeit]

While I realize that such topics as Globaloneyism is a hot topic around the bar and with the barflies my lack of a desire to imbibe limits my knowledge of the Barfly Theory of the World.

After stating that you don't know what the hell you are talking about your posts confirm that.

Tell us what Globalism is.

While I am not in academia I am sure it is a far better place than whatever your "here" is.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Alright I will specifically tell you that ATF was not the major player in Waco. FBI and the Army also got involved and most of the deaths came as a result of the fire following the tank attack.

Not that the actions of the Clintons has anything to do with today.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Never the less the rest of the stores in the nation seem to be able to jump through the appropriate hoops. Is this the ONLY one in the country which cannot/will not?

[justshutupandtakeit]

What a pack of lies.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Opinions of fanatics have little worth.

[justshutupandtakeit]

One group I will not believe are the Absolutists who have taken the 2d and made it the object of gun WORSHIP.