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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: Pukin Dog

2,001 posted on 05/17/2006 3:58:58 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: Toby06

2000?


2,002 posted on 05/17/2006 3:59:03 PM PDT by Toby06 (I'm a conservative-I'll support conservative candidates. That does NOT necessarily mean republican)
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To: Warren_Piece

"Except for a few (Spiff, Vicomte13), most of them come across as pitchforkers."

I'm not a BorderBot.

I articulate their case for them because they are going to put a torpedo under our keel in November unless they get something, and what will placate them is a sea-to-sea Fence.

I don't want to lose Congress and have to make a Fence a priority in order to get it back.

I want to appease the BorderBots on THIS side of a defeat, and a Fence will do that.

I haven't seen a rational and articulate expression of what they are really afraid of, angry about and want, so I have supplied it because I want to hold onto Congress, and they hold the key to that. "He who can destroy a thing, also controls a thing" was a philosophic point in Dune.
And it's true.

I am trying to give a voice to the BorderBots and present a clear channel to avoid a disaster, in the hope that the thousands of people who read FreeRepublic will pick up precisely that concept: GIVE THEM THEIR SEA TO SEA FENCE, AND WE DEFUSE THE BOMB.

I want to defuse the bomb.
That's all.


2,003 posted on 05/17/2006 3:59:11 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva!)
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To: Prokopton
You want more Kennedys and Souters?

Man, you gotta love this logic.

Do you mean it was a mistake to vote for Reagan?

Or since we are talking about Dubya how about we stick to the subject and say I hope for another Roberts or Alito.

2,004 posted on 05/17/2006 3:59:15 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: stevestras
The Dogs did our best work in the Tomcat. The Hornet is a bug.
2,005 posted on 05/17/2006 3:59:20 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
If you want to go from St Louis to New Orleans, driving north is a damned stupid thing to do - and could lead someone to think that maybe New Orleans isn't really your destination.

Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.

2,006 posted on 05/17/2006 3:59:26 PM PDT by DManA
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To: pbrown

I think I lost a $50 bet, seeing as you are still here. I think having the mods called on banning true conservative/non bushbots will cool that off for a bit.


2,007 posted on 05/17/2006 4:00:11 PM PDT by Toby06 (I'm a conservative-I'll support conservative candidates. That does NOT necessarily mean republican)
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To: Miss Marple

Could you Freepmail me these attacks as well? I'm curious.


2,008 posted on 05/17/2006 4:00:56 PM PDT by Terpfen
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To: Pukin Dog
I know! My husband is ex=Navy flier as well. One of our boys is an active duty officer. All of our military are hero's.
2,009 posted on 05/17/2006 4:01:33 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: CWOJackson
We have specifically requested that they share with us passenger manifests for flights coming into Canada from other countries because of their lack of surveillance of those two sites.

I'm sure Mexico is not providing us the manifests for flights coming into their country either.

Can't say I blame either.

Just because Canada is not watching those sites, does not mean they are not being watched.

2,010 posted on 05/17/2006 4:02:02 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: tgslTakoma
The conservative base

What you are talking about is me. Who I am concerned about is those non-conservative Republicans who are willing to see God-hating, Constitution-ignoring socialists take power if they don't get there way.

2,011 posted on 05/17/2006 4:02:02 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Protagoras
What in the present is it that you don't think I am able to look at?

I'll see your Souter and Kennedy and raise you Roberts and Alito.

2,012 posted on 05/17/2006 4:02:33 PM PDT by saminfl (,/i)
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To: Toby06
Or they might be taking a siesta? Please don't assume the mods can be intimidated by a little bit of pushback. Free Republic is not a democracy.
2,013 posted on 05/17/2006 4:02:52 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: investigateworld

"If the Republicans lose one of the Houses of Congress, not that I believe that will happen, there goes the funding for the Iraq/WOT program.
Do you think Dubya is willing to risk that?"

I think he IS risking it, but I think that the full magnitude of the BorderBot movement and the cost of its defection is not being properly registered by the decision takers.

Had Bush 41 known that the tax-hawks would never forgive him, no matter what, after he raised taxes, he would have stalwartly refused to have done so. But he underestimated the strength and depth of passion on taxes of the tax hawks.

Bush and Co. ALMOST made that mistake with Miers, but they got it in the end and pulled back from the brink.

I think they haven't gotten it yet about the Border, and are making the same mistake Bush's daddy made. Fortunately, this time it's easier to fix - with that Border Fence sea to sea - and they may get it yet.

Unfortunately, I think that there's a real desire to self-deceive that the President pulled it off with his speech. He didn't. The speech was the sum of all fears for those conservatives most passionate about the Border.

It made things worse.
Not unrecoverably so: the reconciliation committee in Congress could still give a sea-to-sea fence.


2,014 posted on 05/17/2006 4:03:58 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva!)
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To: Soul Seeker
The republicans only have a majority on paper. Just look at the list of rinos in the senate. Replace those, and we'll have a real majority. People are deluding themselves to think we have a 'majority'. Just look at the voting records. The battle starts at your state level. We have the government we elected. Don't like it, work to elect conservatives. Complaining about the senate now is like saying you have to shovel 24 inches of snow because you didn't buy a snowblower before the blizzard, and they're out of stock now.
2,015 posted on 05/17/2006 4:04:29 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: trubluolyguy

Tank and a half? We can only hope.

What are you driving anyway trubluolyguy, an eighteen wheeler?

LOL! Have you ever seen how spell check reacts to your name?


2,016 posted on 05/17/2006 4:05:00 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Stop whining! Everyone has their own bear to cross.)
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To: Vicomte13

LOL!


2,017 posted on 05/17/2006 4:05:31 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: trubluolyguy

It's better than that stupid $100 dollar gas rebate proposal, that would end up costing more than $100 per person to process.


2,018 posted on 05/17/2006 4:06:48 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Toby06
I'm sorry you lost money. I'm a conservative Border-Bot. What can I say.....

:-)

2,019 posted on 05/17/2006 4:06:51 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Marine Inspector
"I'm sure Mexico is not providing us the manifests for flights coming into their country either."

Mexico has nothing that can compare with the Islamic centers, long and well established Islamic centers, in North Vancouver, BC and Windsor, ON. In fact, one Canadian MP just spoke of this outrage himself...finally figuring out that they could become targets themselves eventually.

"Just because Canada is not watching those sites, does not mean they are not being watched."

If would be far more effective if our good friends to the north cooperated in that endeavor so we (probably) didn't have to violate their sovereignty.

2,020 posted on 05/17/2006 4:08:35 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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