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Clear Thinking on Immigration
Acton Institute (for the Study of Religion & Liberty) ^ | May 3, 2006 | Andrew M. Yuengert

Posted on 05/17/2006 4:51:59 AM PDT by uncitizen

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This article is from two weeks ago, but I searched and don't believe it has been posted here before.
1 posted on 05/17/2006 4:52:02 AM PDT by uncitizen
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Immigrants are people of great dignity, Except the ones that make up 30% of the prison population.
2 posted on 05/17/2006 4:56:59 AM PDT by DManA
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I don't recall it right off hand. Unfortunately this writer's view of what an "immigrant" ought to be and my view are far different.

My preferred "immigrant" is a person with at least a Master's degree from a certified institution of learning who's willing to pick beans in the fields for at least 3 years before moving into the main part of the economy.

At the moment the US immigration law is biased against educated people. In fact, the US Senate yesterday saw fit only to limit those categories of immigrants who could read and write.

The deal ought to be that you can come here to live if there's a reasonable expectation that you can contribute to the improvement of the condition of the nation.

3 posted on 05/17/2006 5:02:31 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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Clear Thinking on Immigration...

Is sorely lacking these days, especially among Senate Republicans.

L

4 posted on 05/17/2006 5:03:11 AM PDT by Lurker (Insanity is repeating the same action again and again yet expecting different results.)
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From the article:"One in 25 people in the United States (12 million) are here in violation of our laws."

If this is not an invasion, then what is?

5 posted on 05/17/2006 5:04:00 AM PDT by uncitizen
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At the moment the US immigration law is biased against educated people.

It's true. Why aren't we allowing the Indians (from India) to immigrate in higher numbers? Rhetorical question. They work cheaper when they're still in India.

In fact, the US Senate yesterday saw fit only to limit those categories of immigrants who could read and write.

How does that affect the Mexicans? Are they in the category that is exempt from the literacy req'mts? Or are the Mexicans themselves divided into categories?

6 posted on 05/17/2006 5:10:00 AM PDT by uncitizen
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The Mexicans would, for the most part, be exempt from any of the limitations imposed on educated, literate workers.


7 posted on 05/17/2006 5:11:40 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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Clear Thinking on Immigration... Is sorely lacking these days, especially among Senate Republicans.

No kidding! They have their minds closed (nothing new there). They don't want to hear any logic. They don't care to understand the implications. There are "other" things upon which their stance on Illegals is made. And it has nothing to do with what their constituency wants.

8 posted on 05/17/2006 5:12:34 AM PDT by uncitizen
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The Mexicans would, for the most part, be exempt from any of the limitations imposed on educated, literate workers.

Disgusting!

9 posted on 05/17/2006 5:13:40 AM PDT by uncitizen
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The author makes only a passing distinction between legal and illegal immigration. Most of his argument centers on "We need immigrants". Very few people argue that we should completely seal the border to legal and illegal immigration. The few that do are seen as the fringe.

In this debate we need to keep the phrasing right. The debate is about illegals that are migrating en masse over the southern border. It's as much about legal immigration as it is about the Canadian border. The bills being discussed reportedly talk about both but that is not their main thrust, and is only cursory to the real debate.


10 posted on 05/17/2006 5:15:25 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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BTW, that's because the greater part of them fall into the category of "Already Here".

I hope folks have noticed that.

The "Already Here" category amounts to the sort of racial and ethnic bias in US immigration law that was thought to have been abolished in the reforms passed under Lyndon Johnson.

Under these new rules the folks from India and Pakistan are going to continue to have to be highly educated to have a shot at anything less than a 35 year waiting period.

11 posted on 05/17/2006 5:16:22 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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At the moment the US immigration law is biased against educated people.
It's true. Why aren't we allowing the Indians (from India) to immigrate in higher numbers? Rhetorical question. They work cheaper when they're still in India

Because if we allowed them to immigrate then John Kerry could not whine and complain about outsourcing.

12 posted on 05/17/2006 5:16:26 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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They have a claim on the generosity of a generous people.

I'd like to know what this pinhead's definition of 'generosity' is. Making a demand for generosity is like robbing your birthday party guests at gumpoint.

13 posted on 05/17/2006 5:16:40 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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I have to wonder why it is ok to say "We want your poor so we have a worker class". They keep using that disgusting phrase "Doing the jobs Americans won't do", or some variation on it.

Are they saying that in one or two generations we will have to import another 12-15 million from somewhere to do the jobs the 3rd or 4th generation Mexicans won't do?


14 posted on 05/17/2006 5:18:32 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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Making a demand for generosity is like robbing your birthday party guests at gumpoint.

Stick 'em up! ;-)

"A claim on the generosity of a generous people."

We've been too generous for too long. At this point we're being taken advantage of, our own right are being stepped on, protested against, called racists..enough already! Claim denied! [stamp]

15 posted on 05/17/2006 5:22:22 AM PDT by uncitizen
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Exactly. I'm more than generous- on my own timetable, and in a way that reflects my obedience to God. Having it legislated by the government, while having insinuations of greed and racism leveled at me for justification, is an old Democrat trick that the GOP seems to be adopting.


16 posted on 05/17/2006 5:25:35 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: muawiyah
My father in law came here in the 70's from Romania with a third grade education. 13 years later he was retired in Florida after selling his business, and a multimillionaire.

Education shouldn't be a requirement, but the desire to assimilate and 'become an American' should be. We don't need La Raza sneaking into our house in the middle of the night, flopping down on the couch, and then demanding to be treated like a member of the family.
17 posted on 05/17/2006 5:25:58 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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The "Already Here" category amounts to the sort of racial and ethnic bias in US immigration law that was thought to have been abolished in the reforms passed under Lyndon Johnson.

That may be so. But "already here" is like a grandfather clause applying to legal immigrants, isn't it?

That being said, those Illegals who are already here don't have an interest in becoming educated. They don't have an education ethic in their home country and they don't grow one when they get here.

18 posted on 05/17/2006 5:28:09 AM PDT by uncitizen
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Having it legislated by the government, while having insinuations of greed and racism leveled at me for justification, is an old Democrat trick that the GOP seems to be adopting.

Yep. They've stolen the RAT playbook. They don't think they'll see much consequence for this in November. But i think they will.

19 posted on 05/17/2006 5:32:02 AM PDT by uncitizen
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...yet the Bots here will accuse us of being trolls. Sad.


20 posted on 05/17/2006 5:33:57 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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