BUSH: WE CAN'T BOOT 11M ILLEGALS

NY Post ^ | 5/15/06

[hispanarepublicana]

I have relatives who are Hispanic and they do not like the current situation.

Send them this link (clickable graphic):

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I have some Christian Mexican friends and I know they are for the most part good people.

Not many on FR know this about me, but, I have a DIL who is mexican. I also have a grandson 7, and our granddaughter that died when she was 5 1/2 months old, who is half mexican. This isn't about mexicans, it's about illegal aliens. No matter their country of origin.

Bush seems to keep getting the job of cleaning up decades of every other admins messes.

I agree.

[Miss Marple]

There you go. Now we can talk about something.

I think we need to deal with this now while there is fear of elections in Congress. Congress would like to kick this down the road like they have done for the last 20 years, but we can't afford this. There is every possibility that Vicente Fox, who leaves office this year, will be replaced by a Marxist. Then we will have an even worse relationship with Mexico, an less cooperation, if not active efforts to take over the border states.

My preference is to immediately pour all of our resources into securing the border, followed by deportation of any criminal illegals immediately (we don't need to keep them in our prisons unless they are murderers or rapists).Send the petty criminals home, and deport the others when their prison sentences end.

For the ones who are here and peacefully working, I would issue all of them green cards within six months, and require that green card in order to gain employement. If they don't get a green card, no work. And if they aren't working, no unemployment or welfare...send them home.

This would still leave a lot of people here, but I think it is a strategy which would avoid ACLU challenges and would get a handle on who we have in this country.

[Hostage]

I do grow vegetables and pick them. I use organic methods to produce much better tasting produce than any of the mass-produced genetically-altered corporate farms do.

You don't know me and yet you think you know what I do! What a laugh! It exposes your thinking as biased and shallow.

Tell me something else I don't do!

How about I don't clean my toilet?

I don't press my clothes?

I don't cook my meals?

Cut my grass?

By the way I like the President, voted for him twice, attended his first term inaugural ball, gave the maximum to his campaigns and defended him daily....except for the illegal alien issue. I saw this problem more than 15 years ago in Los Angeles and have warned people around me as to the true nature of the problem. I have been laughed at, ignored, thought crazy, thought racist and now, just now many of those people are nodding that I do indeed have credibility.

But the President has lost credibility here. And it is not my fault.

[brytlea]

LOL!

[EEDUDE]

Dane,
It sure sounds like YOU don't need the kind of "job an American won't do", but I have friends who work on pig farms, chicken farms, contruction, etc.

As a teen I DID work picking vegtables and tobacco during the summer for spending money.

I also put myself through engineering school working road contruction and digging ditches during the summer.

Maybe YOUR elitist friends won't get their hands dirty, but there are still a hell of a lot of Americans who do this kind of work EVERY DAY to make a living, and they do not want these jobs taken away from them or their wages depressed by illegals.

[MissAmericanPie]

The money ripped out of our economy is Mexico's largest source of income. We stupid citizens get taxed, and have to get a permit to have a dang garage sale, and they tax us to death on that.

All this money that is being drained from my blue eyed, Caucasian, male son regarding scholarships is given to illegals who have never paid into the system. We have jump through ever higher hoops to qualify for student loans that are handed to illegals, to someone who has broken the law by coming here illegally.I don't blame anyone for my station life I work hard to stay in it and pay my taxes. I do resent the discrimination against the descendent's of the founders of this nation's children. Hey, if I can just pay Social Security and get all the benefits afforded by all the other taxes skipped with all the free services, Hey bring it on, I'll go for that.

I'm tired of being penalized for being an American citizen by birth, as though that put a "duty" on my back to allow myself to be taken advantage of. I'm a Conservative, a taxpayer, I believe in less government, less taxes, but I think I have come upon a tax we can all agree on.

I have an idea of how to get some of this money back. The Fed loves to tax the American citizen so much so I say we give illegals a true piece of the American Dream, a dose of reality, let's let them know what it is to be a true American. A fifty percent tax on all money transfers out of the country, bank transfers, money grams, if a check is cashed in a different country the bearer gets half the money the government gets the rest.

Anyone who mails cash money faces five years prison term for tax evasion. Some may argue that 50% is too much, but hey, it isn't considered by the FED too excessive for our kids to bear, our kids are taxed 50% of what we the deceased already paid taxes on, just because we died. These poor illegal slobs want a taste of the American Dream (nightmare) let's give them all a big spoonful.

Now in no way am I suggesting that the Fed is going to do anything smart with this new found money, now will it benefit American citizens in any manner or used to build a fence. But it will bring a bunch of outsourced jobs back to the USofA. And if these danged illegals want to get money to Mexico, let em walk it back over in their pocket like they walked over here to get it in the first place.

[SeaBiscuit]

"we can't..." ...in sharp contrast to his idea that "we can" democratize a country that has been anything but since the beginning of time..

[meema]

Very well said, APFel! I agree with your whole post.

And what really irks me is that our house is on fire and I am told to stop complaining about it.

This is what infuriates me too!

[Mo1]

go away

[zook]

So, in fact, you haven't seen any poll about anything, except maybe for one done by your posse pals. You got nothing. There is no reputable poll that shows what you said earlier, so I guess you just made it up. And that line, which I'm sure you did read, said that I blew your assertion out of the water.

If *you* doubt my credibility, well it's just one more thing for me to brag about.

[EEDUDE]

" Everywhere there is a large bloc of hispanics the bullets are flying. That is fact, not fiction. Sound racist? To damn bad."

Not racist at all. It's the truth.

[Wonder Warthog]

"So magically we have gone from the capacity to deport 1.5 million per year to 3 million per year. Wonderful since it would occur in the face of ever increasing and intense legal challenges by the ACLU and other advocacy groups. But I guess things just work out for the best in your world because you want them to."

Go back and re-read what I actually SAID---which was to double the enforcement budget for deportations. THAT is what changes the number from 1.5 million to 3.0 million. Not "magic".

"Again a nice attempted dodge on the "legitamcy" issue. I was not addressing the legitamacy of the aliens, but rather the legitamcy of the premise that you can deport 11 million. Still haven't seen you address that on a practical basis."

Since we're talking about an already legitimate process that deports 1.5 million a year, why should there be a question about the legitimacy of deporting 11 million???

"I question whether you can control the borders without having control of the illegal population already within the country. If there is a community of illegals for them to enter, the motivated ones will find a way to get in and join it. I am a strong proponent of controlling the borders, but you cannot control the borders without gaining control of the illegal community within the borders. You can't do that if deportation is the primary solution."

It would seem to me that deporting them DOES "get control of the illegal community within the borders.

[trubluolyguy]

I won't be listening to this crap tonight either.

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I agree with you in many ways on this issue, but I feel we should give the man a chance. After all supposedly we all voted for him.

[brytlea]

I have no idea, since of course, I'm not law enforcement. But, I suspect what you are trying to say is we can't do anything about illegal lettuce pickers. Is that your point?
susie

[OKIEDOC]

Thanks

Done.............

[maica]

I understand your perspective. I just have faith, I guess, that as other Catholic demographic groups have verrrry gradually decided to vote conservative, so will some of the assimilated new Americans. I am not as pessimistic as you about the future. I am really worried about the near term effects on conservative issues. If we do not keep the majority we have NO HOPE of controlling immigration.

I'm Catholic, too, and cringe at Liberation Theology, etc.

[Tokra]

Simply pass a law that makes it illegal to open a bank account, purchase a money order or wire money out of the country UNLESS you can prove your citizenship.

That shouldn't be so hard to pass or enforce.

[Spiff]

>Your argument is completely baseless and
> you wouldn't look so stupid if you would
> drop it.

Will you be submitting an abuse report for this post?

No, I would accept the advice of such a poster, realize that my argument that somehow Tom Tancredo would have a better voting record, from a conservative standpoint, if he had not had a career in the public sector before being elected to Congress. I would accept the fact that Tom Tancredo's rating of 100% from the American Conservative Union completely discredits such an argument. I would feel stupid for having made it - especially if I'd already learned that Tom Tancredo had received a 100% "Best and Brightest" rating from the American Conservative Union. I may resent the harshness of the poster, but realized that I did in fact look stupid for continuing to make the same discredited argument argument and then I would have dropped the argument from any future posts knowing how stupid it made me look for making it.

But that's just me.

[F.J. Mitchell]

It's funny, Mister President, how we "could" tie the Border Patrol's hands behind their back and allow twelve million people to invade America. I can only speak for myself of course, Sir, but no matter how much you and the Congress of the USA repeat that babble about how we "can't" round up twelve million (or eleven million as you politicians are now calling them) people and send them home; in my mind I don't see "can't", I see "won't".

Rounding up and sending home, a mere eleven or twelve million illegal aliens, an achievement you call impossible, is a minor chore, compared to the mammoth chore of civilizing sixty billion Muslims; an achievement you are convinced we "can" do.