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House Votes to Allow Military to Assist in Border Security
American Forces Press Service ^ | Kathleen T. Rhem

Posted on 05/12/2006 5:56:29 PM PDT by SandRat

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1 posted on 05/12/2006 5:56:31 PM PDT by SandRat
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To: HiJinx; Spiff; Borax Queen; idratherbepainting; AZHSer; Sabertooth; Marine Inspector; A Navy Vet; ..

ABOUT FRACKING TIME! Now to get it through the Senate on the President's Desk.


2 posted on 05/12/2006 5:57:26 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Too late. Wrong use of Armed forces. Big expense. Bad results and GI Border deaths will really anger the heartland.

The Military is for killing enemy soldiers. Only.


3 posted on 05/12/2006 6:08:43 PM PDT by CBart95
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To: SandRat

252-171; isn't that the exact same margin that passed the "tax cuts for the rich"?


4 posted on 05/12/2006 6:10:40 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC
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To: CFC__VRWC

By Jove, I think you are spot on!


5 posted on 05/12/2006 6:14:05 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

This hasn't even been passed by the house. This was only inserted into another defense bill. In order for this to become law, it the House must pass the whole bill, the Senate must likewise, and the President must sign it.


6 posted on 05/12/2006 6:17:20 PM PDT by old republic
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To: SandRat

I would be honored to defend my own borders, but using preeexisting military formations to do this job is stupid.

The military is trained to conduct organized offensive and defense operations involving the coordinated movement of hundreds or thousands of people at a time.

WE ALREADY HAVE A BORDER PATROL trained to do the work of patroling. Increase the pay (in order to make sure the quality of recruits does not fall off) and EXPAND IT.

You want the people guarding your border to have law enforcement powers AND military discipline. We need to make the Border Patrol a military organization (with fixed-term enlistments, ROTC scholarships for officers, etc.), allow graduates of all service academies to apply for postings to it, but, like with the Coast Guard, keep it OUT of the Department of Defense so that we can give its personnel law enforcement authority.

All personnel who get RIF'd ("reduction in force") before retirement age -- like the 900 or so Air Force officers getting cut loose this year -- should be offered postings in the new Border Patrol as their previous paygrade. The same could've been done with all the enlisted folks the Navy was letting go last year.


7 posted on 05/12/2006 6:47:09 PM PDT by American Soldier
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To: CBart95
Assuming you are not on active duty with the DOD...
What does it say on line 11 of your DD-214?

The primary duty of every active duty service member is the defense of the USA, against all enemies, foreign or domestic.

I screamed to high heavens and quoted chapter and verse of the Constitution and all applicable DOD military regulations when certain politicians started attempting to missuse the DOD to fight in the politically waged "war on drugs" against USA citizens.

Military border patrol(securing the external borders of the USA against all invasion) is most definitely consistent with ALL DOD regulations, the UCMJ, and the Constitution of the USA.
As for your incredibly ignorant statement:

"The Military is for killing enemy soldiers. Only."

May I respectfully suggest you either seek more information on this topic, or mental therapy, since you seem unable to function in the real world with the limited resources you exhibit.
8 posted on 05/12/2006 6:49:20 PM PDT by sarasmom (To all political staff lurkers: SECURE THE BORDERS, OR YOU'RE FIRED!)
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Whitman said it's important to remember that governors have authority to mobilize their National Guard forces as they see fit as long as they pay for the mobilization from within state budgets.

Respectfully Sir, that's NOT important to remember. That's like saying a child has the authority to feed himself in the absence of a negligent parent.

Border security is clearly a FEDERAL responsibility -- it is unbelievably inappropriate for any federal official to even mention the legality of state officials taking the lead on matters that so clearly fall within the federal sphere of responsibility.

9 posted on 05/12/2006 6:53:08 PM PDT by American Soldier
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To: SandRat
Although I agree with the use of Federal troops to seal the border, it is a shameful political ploy leading up to elections.

Scalawags, the whole lot of them.
10 posted on 05/12/2006 7:01:04 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: CBart95
Wrong use of Armed forces

Correct. Their proper role would be in the invasion and stabilization of Mexico

Big expense

Incorrect! That expense would represent less than 10% of the GDP squandered on illegal aliens and their successive generations of progeny. Using the military to stop the invasion would be a net cost savings. As an example it costs nearly $15K/yr. to educate just one child born of the consequences of illegal immigration in California and there are millions enrolled in California's public schools.

Bad results and GI Border deaths will really anger the heartland.

Probably not. While military losses are unpalatable, losses that directly benefit, that are tangible and that every citizen can measure on a daily basis are less offensive. As citizens watch the horde subside, public school classrooms return to normal, emergency rooms reestablish to actually treat medical emergencies, freeways become less congested, prison populations dwindle, cars disappear from front lawns and taxes go down, the sacrifice may become less stinging.

11 posted on 05/12/2006 7:24:52 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: old republic

Yeah, and it's looking more and more like a token as I continue thinking about it. They do this while offering amnesty up as a compromise yet again in the Senate. If it's still amnesty, one wonders where the 'compromise' was.

Can you say "Third party".. :)


13 posted on 05/12/2006 11:38:52 PM PDT by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: SandRat

"The act specifies that such a move must be made at the request of the secretary of Homeland Security, who must certify that the action "is necessary to respond to a threat to national security posed by the entry into the United States of terrorists, drug traffickers, or illegal aliens."


So what do we have NOW?? Schoolkids from Mexico crossing our borders???

If the Posse Comitatuts Act prevents the military from being used for domestic purposes, border defense is OBVIOUSLY not a dmoestic issue when the creatures violating our borders are not American citizens and coming from another country!!

Did the House at least, authorize arming the National Guard, or are they to use stale totillas as weapons???


14 posted on 05/12/2006 11:49:25 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: CBart95
Our military is for securing our borders from foreign invaders, too. Why would you think our military is only for securing the borders of foreign nations?
15 posted on 05/13/2006 4:59:40 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity'. It's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: American Soldier

Silly objections.


16 posted on 05/13/2006 5:01:00 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity'. It's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: CBart95

So what in the hell are they doing on South Korea's, Afghanistan's, Irag's, Bosnia's and Germany's borders?


17 posted on 05/13/2006 5:04:46 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity'. It's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: 4Freedom

Those are bonafide military assignments.

Our border deal is a civil police job...a task for securty guards...this is not a military assignment..

Some people can't seem to understand the obvious difference. "Can't" or, in reality. "Won't".

But there is one.


18 posted on 05/13/2006 5:51:30 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: ZULU

Don't know yet


19 posted on 05/13/2006 6:48:39 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: CBart95
"Our border deal is a civil police job..."

According to who, you?

20 posted on 05/13/2006 4:00:16 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity'. It's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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