Scout’s honor? Time to bring the Boy Scouts of America up to date

Pasadena Weekly ^ | 04-27-06 | Hannah Naiditch

[Das Outsider]

And if I don't get my selfish way, I'm gonna blind that organization with a flurry of nuisance lawsuits claiming that they're infriging ON MY RIGHTS to be a 10-year-old girl in an adult male body.

And in the city of San Francisco, you may be entitled to free health, medical, and dental benefits as well. Get your litigation on!

[Oztrich Boy]

as for the Sanskrit swastika, dictionaries make a similar “stubborn claim.”

"Facts are stubborn things"

[zip]

I used to give them $50 a year, Now it is a $100 just out of spite to the gays and femi-nazis.

I totally stopped my (PC) United Way contributions and give directly to the local BSA Council.

[I got the rope]

Hmmm.. -today’s Boy Scout "intolerance" is a burr under the saddle of the leftists' sacred cow village rodeo of delusion...

Embracing and promoting the homosexual disorder is embracing and promoting a morally corrupt self-destructive procreative dead end -a future of darkness...

That's a keeper.

[Richard Kimball]

Thomas Hart Benton said, "I came, I saw, I conquered," shortly after landing on the moon.

Exactly where did you take history?

[SaveTheChief]

Maybe the time has come for the Scout oath to represent not the values of the early 1900s, but to reflect the modern democratic values of our nation that are based on a system of inclusion.

Maybe leftist secular humanists should stop using words like "diversity" and "inclusion" to confuse people and force their values on the rest of us.

[Das Outsider]

Exactly where did you take history?

Why, the University of Colorado, my Anglo-Saxon imperialist friend. ;)

[Freedom4US]

Scouting is a good program and will benefit anyone who participates. Fresh air and good hard work never hurt anyone, I know, because I was a Scout. Lessons learned stay with a person their whole life, and being able to draw upon them when necessary is invaluable.

At issue, the view in question is of the scouts as fascist, essentially. In any event, if a group can't define itself, then there is no freedom of association, that's what's at issue here. It's really silly, but there's no arguing with certain folks. So, after being kicked out of any location however remotely or tangentially connected with federal tax dollars, look for nuisance suits, etc. Rinse, lather, repeat. Ergo, Scouting goes "bye-bye", even though technically legal. Fun bunch, huh?

[LexBaird]

Exactly where did you take history?

Silly rabbit! You can't take history. You have to study it where it lies until it takes you.

[gidget7]

Democratic values?? Democrats have no values, or character for that matter. (Most of them)

Never have I seen a group of people work so hard to bring down such a worthy and dignified organization. Nice try, but I would rather see them uphold their values and operate solely on donation if necessary!

[Tax-chick]

Excellent summary. There's no end to the struggle with people like this.

[Das Outsider]

Silly rabbit! You can't take history. You have to study it where it lies until it takes you.

(in best Jerry Seinfeld voice): I'd say that I'm taking her out, but then she sounds like a pair of pants! And why do you take an ad out in the paper when what you're really doing is PUTTING ONE IN?

[Richard Kimball]

FWIW, here's the email I sent the editor:

I have to tell you, the subject editorial was not just bad, it was embarrassingly bad. Horribly bad. Pathetically bad. It's impossible to create a compelling argument based on history when you are utterly ignorant of history.
She claims that 1910 was the era of "Manifest Destiny." Manifest Destiny was a term coined by John L. Sullivan in 1839. Similarly, she seems totally ignorant of the fact that the Swastika had no implications whatsoever of Nazism in 1908, when Lord Baden-Powell founded the scouting movement. She cites sources claiming that he used the symbol because he was a Nazi sympathizer, but can anyone take seriously a claim that he used the symbol in 1910 because he admired a movement that didn't even rise to power until the 1930's? She also cites a source that claims he was naive because he believed it was a symbol meaning "good luck" in sanskrit. This claim is beyond idiotic, as it WAS a sanskrit symbol meaning good luck, and was used for over 3,000 years by many groups, back to 1000 BC, even predating the Egyptian symbol, Ankh.
I could tear apart the rest of her article as easily, but after looking at your web site, it is obvious that politics is more important than fact, to you. You will accept any argument, no matter how ludicrous, if it advances your agenda. To you, Boy Scouts=Bad, because Boy Scouts believe in God and heterosexuality. Therefore, any argument that supports the thesis that the Boy Scouts are bad is good, even if it is so pathetically false as to be embarrassing.

[Old Professer]

The Boy Scouts quit working along about the same time boys quit becoming men.

[Das Outsider]

Excellent criticism. My point in that farcical little post was that the history presented in the article is so bad that one may as well just fabricate it. The amount of editorial gymnastics required to connect such unhistorical, non sequitur links rivals that of Dan Brown himself.

[Das Outsider]

Did you happen to catch this one on the PW site?

Impeach

I've many times lamented the neglect and degradation of the printed word in favor of primarily image or entertainment based learning. Pasadena Weekly takes both, puts them into a blender, and sets it to 'Crapee.'

[jordan8]

Hannah Naiditch isn't anti-racist, like all liberals she's anti-white. I don't care what Baden-Powell did, it doesn't hold a candle to the mass-murder, mass-rape, ethnic cleansing and other crimes sponsored by the left on the streets of America since the 1960s. I won't take a lecture on racism or fascism from a war criminal.

[zip]

Tongue in cheek history.

[MarMema]

Sand, was this true about Baden-Powell, or is this a bunch of hooey?

Having read numerous books about him, I had never encountered this kind of accusation before.

[MarMema]

BTW - I used to give them $50 a year, Now it is a $100 just out of spite to the gays and femi-nazis.

LOL, doubled our FOS donation this year for the same reason.