Posted on 05/12/2006 6:31:09 AM PDT by Severa
Again, you're making no argument at all. If they cannot work here without documentation, and if they cannot get welfare, why would they come?
And if we could adequately identify and track them, why shouldn't they come?
They supposedly can't work now without documentation. That's why they are called undocumented workers. There are laws on the books today that penalize employers who hire undocumented workers. You still believe that we can effectively enforce new laws better than we are doing right now with the existing ones. I don't. It is the same scam as 1986,i.e., legalize the illegals and the problem goes away. The first step is to control and secure our borders to cut off the supply. It is the sina qua non of any immigration reform.
Why would they come? Because life in the US offers more hope and opportunity than in Mexico and Latin America. There would still be jobs even if they are within the huge and growing Mexican-born population in the US, totalling, according to the US census, around 9 million in 2000 or double what it was in 1990. It is probably much larger. The Latin America immigrant population, legal and illegal (Spanish speaking), of the US is more than 14 million and the number of Hispanics is approaching 40 million and growing faster than the population as a whole.
Once you get here, it will be very difficult to deport you. The ACLU and other interest groups like La Raza would make sure that you were not denied social services. The recent demonstrations by illegals and their supporters would dwarf in comparison if any significant attempt is made to deport illegals or deny them services.
An undocumented worker would have advantages in employment over one with documentation, the same as today. I live near Herndon, VA. There is a taxpayer provided center where the illegals hang out awaiting prospective employers to pick them up as rent-a-man labor for the day. If I want a few people to help me clean up my yard, I can pick a few people up and have them work for me for the day. Cheap, easy, and no SS or other taxes to pay. The Herndon town council was voted out of office almost to a person for authorizing the center, but that is because the illegal immigrant population has not taken significant root here yet.
Another example: I had a new roof put on my house a few years ago from a respected local company that has been in business for over 60 years. The entire work crew was Mexican. None spoke very much English. I learned through my broken Spanish and their broken English that the crew of six came from the same village in Mexico. A few came first and then were joined later by the others. They were not roofers initially but A/C repairmen, carpenters, etc. The same thing is happening now as happened in our past, i.e., immigrants set up their networks and bring folks from the old country into their places of concentration in the US. They act as support groups getting people settled, including providing them with food, shelter, and jobs.
You seem to be downplaying the construction of physical barriers and real control over our borders. You seem to believe that you can legislate our way out of the problem through registration of illegals (who thus become legal) and forcing others to go home voluntarily. My contention is that a poor country with a corrupt government, 40% of the people living below their povertry level, and a growing population [faster than ours] with a median age of 25 adjacent to the world's wealthiest and freest country with a large Hispanic population will attract illegals from Latin America [and elsewhere] regardless of what we do internally. I have visited Mexico many times as well as Guatamala and El Salvador. Being poor and uneducated in the US compared to being there is a no brainer. They want to come to the US and many will do whatever it takes to get here. Many have relatives and friends in the US who will help them along with religious groups.
The pressures to get into the US from Mexico and Latin America will be far greater in ten to twenty years. It is a political and demographic reality. Good fences make good neighbors. You must cut off the supply before you can effectively deal with those who are here.
Is this an excuse to why something hasn't been done legislatively- No? this is simply trying to clear up the real causation of this statistical drop in enforcement.
Interesting post.
Why am I not surprised about another potential Clinton trick.
I'm with you.. This is America, we shouldn't have to "press [x] for English."
You know those self-service lanes at the supermarket? Even though the screen may ask you to press one of two keys, Spanish or English, I usually have been able to get around it by simply scanning an item, which seems to send the system into English mode.
Riiiiiight. So the guy who recently called the 56 illegals who were found trapped in a semi-trailer a "load of manure" was just making an unbiased observation of fact?
I haven't seen enough of your posts to have an opinion about you, but there are plenty of folks for whom it is abundantly clear that the racial aspect is paramount in this debate. The clue is that rational questions are answered with stupid attacks.
You made a long post, and the answer -- which I have given before -- is still short. The key to the problem is identification and tracking. The guest worker approach provides that. Nothing you're saying actually DOES anything, except give you a chance to complain.
Conversation over. You haven't comprehended a thing I've written. You have your views and are sticking to them regardless of the facts or logic. You are laboring under the delusion that we can legislate our way out of the problem without physically securing our border. Been there, done that in 1986.
Apache helicopters and M1Tanks.............A solution I could live with.
The threads -- and the mouth-foamers on them -- speak for themselves. Such vulgarities are commonplace on them. I will hang out on such threads occasionally, precisely to point that out.
I have, though: and one of the things I've comprehended is that you don't offer any solutions. Your logic -- such as it is -- is inherently flawed. You complain about lack of enforcement, then yell about enforcing the borders, and then tell me that alternatives won't work because there will be no enforcement. There is NO ANSWER in your posts. Conversation over, indeed.
I'm certain that NPR will provide their usual "objective" coverage.
No, it won't, but it may delay it. A warning for those of you who plan to tape '24'.
I really like it, but I think it might be hard to get involved at this point. They just broke out. I can't figure how they intend to make this a permanent show since they already broke out. Time will tell. But is it a lot of action. Some of it is silly, as is some of 24, but I like both shows. I like 24 better though.
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