Is the U.S. Giving Mexico Intelligence about Americans?

NRO ^ | 05/10/2006 | Andrew C. McCarthy

[justshutupandtakeit]

Only the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe does not believe we have a conservative government. Those who hate this nation certainly understand this is the case and it causes them great angst which is why destroying confidence in Bush is of primary importance to them.

Political realists understand that more conservative officials could not have been elected by THIS electorate. 59 million voted for an admitted traitor and this apparently means nothing to you.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Bogus math does not convince anyone except those who value rhetoric over reality. There are NOT such numbers coming in.

[justshutupandtakeit]

What bearing does that have on anything? A detainee will contact the consul. It makes no difference whether it is at 10:00 or 10:15. Besides MM do not arrest or detain anyone.

[taxed2death]

That's your assessment?

Well, he is not up for reelection so you can not "throw him out".

Any more brilliant observations?

[Dane]

Author should have said "ratified under President Nixon," but it is not "misleading" at all:

Actually it is since Mr. McCarthy left the impression that Presidents ratify treaties, which they do not per the US Constitution.

One would think that a "genius" at NRO would not use misleading grammar and know a basic function of the US Constitution.

[Tench_Coxe]

"Any more brilliant observations?"

Next you'll be called a p**pyhead.
Some of these people should start a "Bootlicker Ping List".

[teawithmisswilliams]

I understand that the Hysterics cannot conceive of this being about the limit possible. But they operate entirely on emotion.

Is that another bit of unintended irony? Operating on "emotion" is what the open borders types do when they talk about illegals' "good family values," the importance of "compassion," which trumps the rule of law, and the plight of illegals who "only come to do the jobs Americans won't do."

[KoRn]

"He said that U.S. Border Patrol officials provided office space inside their headquarters to Mexican consulate officials, allowed the consulate to dictate the agents' activities, and gave the consulate information on ongoing investigations."

This is starting to look pretty bad. I wonder if this Scott James guy has an axe to grind, or is all of this true? If true, this should investigated thoroughly.

[brytlea]

Well, I'm not planning to vote for anyone who supports amnesty. And btw, I don't live my life guided by what the polls say. I make up my own mind.
susie

[Ajnin]

Interestingly enough I work for the Border Patrol and I haven't heard of any orders or policy requiring the reporting of the MM to the Mex consul.

[M. Thatcher]

Only the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe does not believe we have a conservative government.

A ridiculously uninformed statement.

We have a center-right Republican President. The House of Representatives is majority conservative, but the control is slim and increasingly tenuous going into the November election. The Senate is majority Republican in name only, since the Democrats wield more power than their numbers indicate. We have intrenched government bureaucracies - responsible for actually implementing policy - which are overwhelmingly liberal. Entire Executive Branch agencies (State) are majority far left.

Our government is, in general, and for all practical purposes, decidedly not conservative.

I am a passionate Bush fan, and am enthusiastic about his leadership in many areas: national security, judges, tax policy, and so on. But I am not so naive to conclude that Bush's strengths make this a "conservative" government.

Is he far better than the alternative? Undeniably. But categorizing criticism as "lunatic" serves no one.

[M. Thatcher]

Actually it is since Mr. McCarthy left the impression that Presidents ratify treaties, which they do not per the US Constitution. One would think that a "genius" at NRO would not use misleading grammar and know a basic function of the US Constitution.

Please explain how this detail affects the analysis.

[Dane]

Please explain how this detail affects the analysis.

By stating a falsehood that Presidents ratify treaties(which he self-procalimed uber conservative should have known), Mr. McCarthy has shown that he is not immune from hyperbole and living within his own bubble and perpetuating a false story(i.e this made up brouhaha which seems started with the rights own version of mary mapes(sara clark)).

[untrained skeptic]

Bush's rating are where they are because of the Treason Media's incessant LIES about his policies. If the "conservatives" have gone mad over tangential matters then conservatives do not deserve to remain in power.

The much if not most of the media has proven itself to be very biased, and I agree that some of their actions have risen to the level of treason.

I even believe that Bush has done a considerable amount of his duties very well.

However, the level of illegal immigration problems we have is not a tangential matter.

The out of control spending and nearly unprecedented levels of pork is not a tangential matter.

The President's inability to force the CIA to clear out if not criminally prosecute those who keep leaking information to undermine our national security interests, and bring the CIA up to a reasonable level of effectiveness at the job it's supposed to be doing is not a tangential issue.

If the media were neutral, he might a bit higher approval ratings, but the main reason his ratings are so low is that he's managed to piss off just about everyone with how he's handled issues they consider to be of critical importance.

To some extent it's always going to seem like you have to accept some of the bad with the good and try and elect candidate among the choices you have.

We were fortunate to have a President who had a backbone to stand up to the liberals, the media, and the UN and take an aggressive stand against terrorism and the corruption in the UN that helps shield them.

He didn't do the job perfectly, but I believe he did it well, especially with the incompetence and opposition he had to deal with from the CIA.

However, his fiscal irresponsibility and his refusal to enforce our immigration laws or take steps to secure the border have gotten so out of control that we really can't afford his particular failings much longer.

[M. Thatcher]

By stating a falsehood that Presidents ratify treaties(which he self-procalimed uber conservative should have known), Mr. McCarthy has shown that he is not immune from hyperbole and living within his own bubble and perpetuating a false story(i.e this made up brouhaha which seems started with the rights own version of mary mapes(sara clark)).

Well, you have successfully immunized yourself from having to actually engage the material.

You typed "he" instead of "the"; you left out the hyphen between "uber" and "conservative" and between "made" and "up"; you left out the apostrophe in "right's"; you neglected three necessary space insertions; therefore I have dispensed with your argument and have no need to respond to what you actually wrote.

< / Dane mode >

[c-b 1]

Last night, when the Bush-bots began gloating over this story's "demise"; I had a feeling that they might be the ones eating crow in the end.

I have no personal knowledge of anything in this story, however I've spent enough time on the border, to have learned that what is reported in this story is possible. Do not take this to mean I am bashing the wonderful men, and women out there on the ground, that I will never do.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Classic! A Keeper! :-) LOL

[AmericanInTokyo]

It's ALL OVER the Mexican news media tonight. This emboldens illegal aliens (those that can read) to try to make it across 'the line'.If this does not contribute to an even higher flow of illegals over the next few weeks and months, I don't what will.

This is from "El Mexicano" daily newspaper from Ciudad Juarez earlier tonight:

EU revela a México las acciones de Minuteman El Universal ( 2006-05-10 06:37:03 ) LOS ÁNGELES .- La Patrulla Fronteriza estadounidense trabaja de forma coordinada con el gobierno de México para alertarle de los planes y acciones emprendidas por grupos de milicias de vigilantes como los minutemen contra inmigrantes que intentan cruzar la frontera. El portavoz del Servicio de Aduanas y Protección de Fronteras (CBP, por sus siglas en inglés), Mario Martínez, dijo al diario Inland Valley Daily Bulletin de Ontario, que el objetivo es garantizarle al gobierno mexicano que se respetan los derechos de los inmigrantes que sean interceptados por grupos de milicianos. "Con esto queremos afirmar dos cosas fundamentales: que no toleraremos la anarquía de ningún tipo, y que si un extranjero es enfrentado o detenido por un minutemen, permitiremos que su gobierno entreviste a esa persona", aseguró el funcionario. La colaboración de la Patrulla Fronteriza con las autoridades mexicanas tiene como antecedente las negociaciones entre la Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores y el Departamento de Estado en marzo de 2005, para salvaguardar la integridad de los inmigrantes que caigan en manos de Minuteman o el grupo Amigos de la Patrulla Fronteriza. En aquel entonces, funcionarios del Departamento de Seguridad Interna ofrecieron garantías de que esa corporación no apoyaría, en forma alguna, las actividades de vigilancia realizadas por particulares y no condonaría violaciones a la ley. Desde la embajada de México en Washington, se aclaró, sin embargo, que ninguno de los acuerdos entre el gobierno de México y EU "permiten concluir que la Patrulla Fronteriza notifica al gobierno de México sobre la ubicación de grupos civiles que patrullan la frontera". En todo caso, la supuesta colaboración ha encolerizado a los líderes y simpatizantes de Minuteman que consideran "ilegítimo e inconcebible" que la Patrulla Fronteriza trabaje de forma coordinada con México. Según el fundador del grupo, James Gilchrist, una caravana de 200 vehículos llegará a Washington el viernes 12 de mayo para exigir al Senado una reforma migratoria más restrictiva y punitiva."

I know I know. Long but worth the read and translation.

The upshot is that the El Universal newspaper quotes the US sources that this is indeed an arrangement between the Governments of the United States and Mexico.

It further traces this bilateral arrangement/agreement directly to the Condoleeza Rice visit to Mexico in March 2005 at Tenochtitlan, whereby State Department underlings and their counterparts in the Mexican Foreign Ministry had worked out the mutual agreement for the USA to feed them intelligence on the movements of the Minutemen and such other groups on the border to "protect the rights of 'migrants'"

WTF???

This is reprehensible.

If true, God bless him, but, the President of the United States or at least his Secretary of State owe we, the citizens of America, a full explanation.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

Wow. It took 29 posts for a bot to hit this thread. Y'all are off your game this evening.

[Texasforever]

If true, God bless him, but, the President of the United States or at least his Secretary of State owe we, the citizens of America, a full explanation.

Damn you are channeling Dick Durbin.