Inland Valley Daily Bulletin Inaccurate (Border Patrol rebuts Minutemen report)

US Border Patrol Newsroom ^ | 9 May 2006 | USBP

[philman_36]

What has he done?
That is exactly what I'm trying to find out.
I doubt though that an answer will be coming.

[Glenmerle]

I doubt though that an answer will be coming.

I sincerely would like an answer. I've heard and read nothing but good things about the Minutemen (a little less about Simcox, but still good things) and I'm surprised at the vehement dislike of them that's been expressed here. I'm wondering where it's coming from and if it's based on fact or purely on emotion.

[RegulatorCountry]

There was nothing but sweetness and light earlier in this very thread, Glenmerle. Tripping all over themselves to declare "support" and approval, despite the fact that you could go back in the archives and find some of the same screen names attacking them. Things turned on a dime just this evening, when it began to look as if President Bush's use of the term "vigilante" in that press conference actually was directed at the Minutemen.

[philman_36]

Well, Tex went over here...Hard Core Republicans Are Fleeing President...and he is now claiming, though he has offered no proof that I can see as of yet, that... Simcox has a paper trail a mile long.
Show us that paper trail Tex.
What crimes has Simcox committed?

[dcwusmc]

" I am ashamed of the behavior and the lies and bogus attacks on one of the finest, most honorable men to ever occupy the Oval Office.

This is despicable."

NO ONE is attacking Ronald Reagan. It is BUSH that is being discussed (and cussed, as well, by some)... him and his open borders policies that could well prove to be the ruination of this once-great country.

[Texasforever]

Attempted rape of his 13 year old daughter, gun charges, disorderly contact and resisting arrest.

[Rokke]

"The Minutemen risk their lives out on the border every day of every week of every month."

Really? Name one that has been killed while working the border.

"George Bush left our border open wider than Bill Clinton for political gain."

Oh yeah. He's really making some big gains here. Funny thing is, the problem is no different than it was under Clinton or even Reagan. And Reagan actually gave illegals amnesty. Yet this whole thing is Bush's fault.

"George Bush was about to give our Ports to Muslim Nazi, Taliban supporting Dubai of the U.A.E. and suceeded in giving them Factories that make millitary weaponry for planes."

Well, at least you've proven here you have zero idea what you are talking about. The President of the United States does not approve private financial transactions. And please tell me what military weaponry for our aircraft is made by plants owned by the UAE.

"George Bush put two liberal black Republican the Secretary of State job, most likely to fain more black votes."

So is your problem with them that they are black, or that you think they are liberal? And what does "fain more black votes" mean?

"And you believe this man over the patriots protecting America while risking their very lives?"

Absolutely. They've offered proof of nothing. AND NEITHER HAVE YOU. Which is exactly my point. A point which you are desperately trying to avoid by throwing up a huge smoking strawman composed mostly of BS. Nice try loser. Why don't you just answer the original question. It really isn't that complicated. Where is the factual evidence for your sadly distorted perceptions? It doesn't exist does it? Yet you've worked yourself into a full lather getting outraged about it. Well welcome to the world of media manipulation. You've got a hook in your mouth the size of a tennis racket, and they are just reeling you in. Sucker.

[Don Joe]

Wow, I'm blown away!

I called you on your nitpicking, and what do you do in reply? You go into overdrive with your nitpicking!

Here's a hint for you: There's an old tradition on the Internet, going back well over two decades, that frowns on things like "spelling flames" and similar nitpicks (prime example being your flame over the presence of one single ASCII 32 in between the words "here" and "on", in your efforts to enforce the use of the word "hereon" (which any rational person will recognize as a portmanteau word (pardon my French), made of "here" and "on").

Anyway, as with the generally MISapplied "Godwin's Law", the "spelling flame axiom" infers that when one resorts to such nitpicking, one is acknowledging that he has lost the argument.

For your nitpicking pleasure, I've salted "the above" with enough opportunity for nitpicking as to allow one "practiced in the art" to hoist to paroxysms of nitpicking joy. So, go ahead, knock yourself out; nitpick away. Just remember, the more you nitpick, the more you... LOL!

[philman_36]

That's all right, the low down on where the article and the info originated from is getting some light. I should've known.
For your viewing pleasure...The SPLC's "other important work justice" consists mainly in spying on private citizens who belong to "hate groups," sharing its files with law-enforcement agencies, and suing the most prominent of these groups for crimes committed independently by their members-a practice that, however seemingly justified, should give civil libertarians pause.

[Don Joe]

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Hey, I did "invoke_goes_around-comes_around", after all....

(Nice visual representation of that practice, BTW!)

I've noticed a troubling increase in "Party Troll" type posters of late, and they are making their presence felt in virtually every topical context. Yesterday, they succeeded in driving "Judith Anne" away from the Bird Flu topic (direct link to her "opus" here) -- a topic in which she has been instrumental in promulgating more reality and facts than some folks apparently deemed prudent -- so, they silenced her. I don't think she's alone in deciding that there's more to life than continuously taking a beating on a BBS. I'm myself just about to the point of turning off the damn computer and spending my "quality time" in my garden. It's not only "that time of year", but, with the way things are headed in this funky little world of ours, it may very well make the difference between my family being able to remain in our home, or being "relocated" to a "crisis shelter" if/when things turn ugly.

It's sad to watch the process, but understandable. Whenever richly deep-pocketed "interests" feel their goals challenged by free thinkers (and worse yet, free speakers), they will kick out the jams and leave no body unturned in their efforts to silence those who speak the unwanted words.

That there are companies who specialize in, for a fee, such "consensus-steering" activities as deploying operatives to online fora for the purpose of insinuating themselves into the discussions and steering them to the desired path... is a known fact.

That this online forum, being about the most prominent in its field, is a prime target for that sort of activity is simple common sense.

Once you realize those two simple realities, it becomes a simple game of "Where's Waldo?" -- and it looks like he's pretty much running rampant.

Comes a time to simply walk away from the mess. I'm not saying that this is my opus -- but I've definitely cut way back on my reading/posting activities of late, and at the rate things are going, I don't see any change for the positive any time soon. As the political season heats up, I expect their efforts to increase, "manyfold".

[Don Joe]

I hope not. I would hate to think that things have devolved to that point.

Me too, but there's no disputing the fact that there are a number of persistent posters who flit from thread to thread insisting that we must parse the statement in question, in order to interpret the politically correct meaning, rather than the obvious content.

The only question is whether they're "cowboys", on a self-appointed mission to bash others into shutting up and/or parrotting the desired words, or, operatives.

[philman_36]

Comes a time to simply walk away from the mess.
You have no idea how many times have I contemplated just that! I just feel like I'd be letting Mr. Jim down if I did that and I've got too much respect for his end goals to do that.
I'm not saying that this is my opus -- but I've definitely cut way back on my reading/posting activities of late, and at the rate things are going, I don't see any change for the positive any time soon.
I'll never opus, I'll just leave. Over the last couple of years I've cut back back on my reading and responses as well. Sometimes, though, I can't help but speak out.

"Where's Waldo?"
A very apt analogy. Mere bread crumbs is what you usually see now. Waldo has gotten a lot smarter about not leaving the crumbs behind like he used to.

[Don Joe]

They have no business playing solder on the border. They have the right but if they get killed they will not be martyrs they will just be dead. There are some real bad people along that stretch of real estate and they are in way over their heads.

Setting aside for the moment the fact that they are NOT "playing soldier" (i.e., capturing and "inflicting losses" on the insurgents), it seems that you are advocating that Americans shrug their shoulders, acknowledge that a strip of land at the edge of our nation has been taken over by a hostile force, and willingly relinquish that real estate to the invaders.

In which case, I submit that we really ought to revise that whole, "land of the free, home of the brave" thing. When people who own land in that "no-man's-land" zone are subjected to unspeakable abuses, and their cries for help to their government fall on deaf ears, in desperation call on other Americans for help, they deserve more than the sneering contempt I see coming from various folks. In any case, it's not rocket science to figure out that if we do relinquish the current "occupied territory", the invaders will not rest content with their conquest. They will merely inch up another few miles at a time, incrementally taking the land they boldly proclaim as "theirs."

We either draw a line in the sand, beyond which they may NOT claim land as their own, or, we allow them free reign to take what they want. So long as our response to their aggression consists of backing off and "not giving them any trouble", it's just a question of time.

But, if on the other hand, we do decide to "draw a line in the sand", I would suggest that the ideal location for that sand is the line, currently found only on maps, known as "the border."

[Don Joe]

You never fail to take the bait.

Nice example of trollish behavior, baiting other posters, and then boasting of it.

[philman_36]

Nice example of trollish behavior, baiting other posters, and then boasting of it.
Oh, we go way back. I'm used to it. He has "issues" with my stance on a number of topics.
And since they don't jibe with his stance, well, you know the score.

[philman_36]

Here...read this moldy oldy..."HOW TYRANNY CAME TO AMERICA"...for a better understanding. (the article itself is GREAT, if I do say so myself. As you may guess I bookmarked it long ago)
I love reply #38 in particular... The Constitution is a piece of paper that can be followed or not followed depending on the will of the people.
He was still rather new then. IMO that is where/when the mutually intense dislike entered the picture.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Yeah, your right, but a fella' can dream now and again, can't he?? :-)

[AmericanInTokyo]

You remind me of a mosquito at a picnic or a fart on stage at a ballet audition.

You'll fail to convince anyone with your apologist bushbot open borders rhetoric--why do you even waste the effort and bandwith?

[ConsentofGoverned]

"Me too, but there's no disputing the fact that there are a number of persistent posters who flit from thread to thread insisting that we must parse the statement in question, in order to interpret the politically correct meaning, rather than the obvious content."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>....................
the new MOTTO for our GOP GROUPIES and BUSHBOTS:
"TURN IN A MINUTEMAN TODAY-MIGRANTS RIGHTS FIRST! "

[AmericanInTokyo]

Yes, but you need the "Press 2 para Espanol" option for your catch phrase you got goin' there, friend...