...said Captain Smith, aka "RobFromGA", as the Titantic sank out from under him...
Posted on 05/05/2006 1:35:32 PM PDT by RobFromGa
I haven't seen an argument against the fair tax that was worthy of attention. None of you guys debate, you just get on here and rant about the fair tax lies which you fail to show proof of. You get a pass as an official defender of the status quo, however. If that is what you want. At least it is an honest position to take.
You are not the final arbiter of what is worthy, groanup. There are probably a dozen or more serious issues with the FairTax that have been discussed in detail on these threads-- everything from the double-counting of the wage/price savings, the probable impact on the black market, the effect on business purchases, the effect on savings, the effect on poor people, the stupidity of the prebate, the socialist aspects of the prebate, how consumption is likely to be affected, how it affects spending reduction...
To say that there has been no debate is just stupidity.
None of you guys debate, you just get on here and rant about the fair tax lies which you fail to show proof of.The above sentence happens to be the sum total of your debate about the Fairtax...
Can you show, other than in your mind, where the Fairtax is working or has worked?
Most of the arguments used against the Fairtax are from the Fairtax itself, if you're making it up so be it.
Sure there's been some debate by one of two of you guys. The rest of you aren't even close. Name calling, harassing and snide remarks aren't debate. They ARE the hallmarks of most of the anti's. I know I have been repeatedly ignored when I have asked for alternatives to the current income tax.
When I post comments or opinions I am called stupid and ignorant but no rebuttal is forthcoming. That isn't debate it is third grade playground comment.
You're right, we should have followed his lead and just cast it off as just another example of your ongoing idiocy.Actually, I didn't know he said that about me. I rarely read his posts!! I thought he said that about RobFromGa.
no-where-on-the-planet.
Unlike the Flat tax, which is sweeping the planet like sunshine in springtime.
Can you show me, other than in your mind, where the fair tax has been tried and has not worked? Of course you can't. Just like I can't show you where it has worked. It's a new idea. A very well researched one BTW. Spin it anyway you like new ideas can be good. This one threatens thousands of very lucrative jobs, though. Could such a threat create stone walls of resistance? Yes.
LOL. I'm calling BS on that one. You stick to these threads like beef on a steer.
You don't post to me because I want a better idea from you guys. Okay, we have Rob who has admitted that the current income tax system is OK. Will you admit the same? Or do you have a better idea. Give us the VAT!!!
LOL...If the IRS is the equivilent of a bad haircut, I think you need a new barber.
You're right. I was giving them too much credit when I called them sophmores.
(paraphrased for those of you in Rio Linda)
"Should a Fisher-style pure consumption tax be implemented, government could easily manipulate the retail prices of non-prebatible consumer goods for their own tax gain by import tariffs, de-zoning or banning increased production, filing lawsuits, restricting access to raw materials (such as logging and mining), restricting transport, or in the simplest form, raising the cost of transport and motor fuels. Political acts decreasing supply by artificial means, causing unconscionable increases in retail prices of said [necessary] goods, and the subsequent onerous levels of taxation.."
see http://www.mises.org/story/1768 for the entire essay.
It was a simple self-evident fact for any fairminded person reading this thread. That would not include you, obviously.
We'll call that the "Something else bad might happen in the world so let's keep the IRS and the income tax argument."
...said Captain Smith, aka "RobFromGA", as the Titantic sank out from under him...
Not with the Flat Tax. That is spelled out very clearly and easily.
At least until the IRS disagree's with the business' characterization of a deduction as being allowable as a business expenditure. Then comes the expensive administrative and court battles to decide the issue.
No thanks, I'll take a basic retail sales tax system over the inevitable battles that arise of deductibility of expenditures that occur with any system in which the citizen is required to self declare his tax liability to government with tax bureacrats standing by to second guess and contest the citizen's determinations.
You don't post to me because I want a better idea from you guys.LOL! I didn't read the post. It is pretty funny though.
"You are nothing more than a K-Street lawyer. The most vile human of all time, the most evil wariour of the elite class. You have no empathy for those of us who actually PAY these taxes. You obviously have a lot to gain from us."
It must be frustrating to belong to the fair tax cult.
Actually, I didn't know he said that about me. I rarely read his posts!! I thought he said that about RobFromGa.I know, I rarely read them too unless I happen across them in a thread. They're always riddled with insults then accuses the recipient of not debating the subject or proving their point. Besides, they're always written to impress or inform the casual lurker of his opinion of YOU rather than a "debate" on the subject.
Actually it doesn't matter who he said it about, it's still low-life...No surprise from someone who's made it a point on several occasions that he thinks the (never happen) Fairtax is their only chance in life at "creating wealth".
More gobbledygook. You have such a clear and lucid writing style, a_g.
With the exemption of business purchases from the FairTax, the problem of proving business use for deductibility is not going to be improved one bit. It might be much worse.
Or to put it in geezereze:
The resultant cost vector formulation of quasi-business equivalences shall show the potential for serious cross-tabulations into semi-personal expenditure ranges when accounting analyses are undertaken; however additional layers of provenance could indeed morph the nominally more simplistic FairTax structure into a bestial abomination.
Right now I think it's still happy days in Jonestown. They think they've got a big groundswell of support. Only the leaders know that the whole thing has fizzled like a wet match.
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