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SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE. THE PICTURE IS BLEAKER THAN EVER
"Nealz Nuze" ^ | Tuesday, May 2, 2006 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 05/02/2006 8:30:41 AM PDT by upchuck

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1 posted on 05/02/2006 8:30:44 AM PDT by upchuck
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To: upchuck

So whats your congressman or senator doing? Nothing. They really don't care. They don't want to allow private investment options...they won't raise the social security allowance...they won't kick certain folks off the deal. Nothing. I would start to prepare myself for things around 2015...just 9 years away. Prepare for a really bad period of political instability. No winners...just losers.


2 posted on 05/02/2006 8:34:12 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: qam1

ping


3 posted on 05/02/2006 8:37:17 AM PDT by misterrob (Death once came calling for Jack Bauer. Death went home to mommy with a wedgie and no lunch money)
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To: pepsionice

No matter how you feel about the system, this is not going to be a good thing for anyone.


4 posted on 05/02/2006 8:38:06 AM PDT by DonaldC
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To: pepsionice
I turn 62 this year. And all of this is precisely why I'm applying for benefits just as soon as I can. I'm not gonna give the do-nothings a chance to keep any of what I've got coming.
5 posted on 05/02/2006 8:38:54 AM PDT by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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To: misterrob

The losers in the US congress have their retirement, but the head in the sand to destroy and deny you to use any of your SS dollars for real investment is nil. Vote them out term limit them is the only way they are so pompous and relaxed in their power ploy. Just how much tax do you think it takes to staff one member of congress? It is phenomenal.


6 posted on 05/02/2006 8:44:15 AM PDT by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: upchuck

Socialist systems cannot be maintained. The only logical end of such a system would be mandatory limits on how many children we can have and how long we are allowed to live.     

7 posted on 05/02/2006 8:46:32 AM PDT by melancton
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To: upchuck
This a problem we are going to feel much sooner. Unless spending is brought under control as the Social Security annual surplus begins to dwindle the down the government will run deeper and deeper in debt and then will come the massive tax cuts. All of Bush's and the Rhino's run away domestic spending is just a delayed raise in taxes.
8 posted on 05/02/2006 8:50:55 AM PDT by Conservative Actuary
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To: pepsionice

The wife and I have been retired
for 14 years. Since the '60's
it's been obvious to anyone who
cared to look that it takes two
paychecks to live decently in
this country. AND, the wise
couple MUST put aside part of
those two incomes towards their
retired years.
Maybe it's the schools which
have failed the populace. I grew
up knowing Social Security as
devised by the Roosevelt admin.
was NEVER intended to foot all
the bills after a person leaves
the work force. It was a temporary
stop-gap for the elderly. And
most of the seniors today have
long outlived the age of their
grandparents! Wake up, America!
The government will never be able
to take care of you in your old age.
The sooner you realize you're on
your own, the sooner you'll stop
spending all your money and start
thinking about the future.
And for God's Sake, teach that
lesson to your kids!


9 posted on 05/02/2006 8:56:18 AM PDT by Grendel9 (u ()
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To: DonaldC
I turn 62 this year. And all of this is precisely why I'm applying for benefits just as soon as I can. I'm not gonna give the do-nothings a chance to keep any of what I've got coming.

Congress will take the easiest political route it can. The following will happen.
1. Increase taxes slowly over several years.
2. Decrease benefits slowly over several years.
3. They will means test and those with outside pensions will have their social security reduced based on the amount of their non social security pensions. The last one is actually a back door raid on your 401Ks that were supposed to be a supplement to your retirement but not your whole retirement.

Social Security is a scheme that would make Al Capone green with envy. First they tax you and your employer 14%. It is considered part of your gross so you then pay income tax on it. They spend the money and give you a worthless IOU. When they do give you some of the money back that comes from your children's taxes it is considered income and taxed again.

10 posted on 05/02/2006 9:01:53 AM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck (oil field trash and proud of it), geologist, pilot, pharmacist, full time iconoclast)
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To: upchuck

We should start funding each US baby with a $10,000 birth bonus (four million babies born every year @ 40 billion per year. Compare that to SS in the hundreds of billions). Over the course of 65 years, that can turn into a nice hefty retirement. At 6% interest, with NO ADDITIONS, you have $441,000. At 8% with NO ADDITIONS, you have over a million.

The account should follow the person whereever they go, they will be required add to it over their lifetime through automatic paycheck deductions (automatic employee deductions should go into this account over their working life). When the pot reaches a reasonable amount, the person can retire. You should also be able to afford your own retirement health insurance package. The money can pass to your children after death, increasing wealth and security through successive generations. Unlike SS, which takes away from the young and gives their money to others while promising a paltry payback.

A level staring point for all.

I'd be satisfied just to get back my SS inputs so I can invest them myself. Fat chance of that.

Of course, this should not apply to any children of any illegals, ever.


11 posted on 05/02/2006 9:04:04 AM PDT by bordergal
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To: upchuck

Bush II squandered his big win in 2004 by talking S.S. reform for the year 2005. The Democrats laughed at him and the Republicans ignored him.

He could have used the juice he had in 2005 to get his judges confirmed and make the tax cuts permanent.

Now his mojo is gone and we Republicans can only fight for an orderly retreat to the 2008 election. Americans don't give a hoot about S.S. as none believe they ever will be old or poor. Just like their fantasy that the terrorists will retire to some mud huts in the mid east without further troubling us.


12 posted on 05/02/2006 9:06:49 AM PDT by RicocheT
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To: upchuck

Has the Ponzi family sued the US Government for using his idea.


13 posted on 05/02/2006 9:06:56 AM PDT by art_rocks
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To: Grendel9

Well stated!


14 posted on 05/02/2006 9:22:33 AM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: pepsionice; upchuck
You might give this message to Congress and the people who control the government. But people in power do not give a hoot. With all the illegal aliens crashing our borders and demonstrating in the streets you would think that they would understand. Mexicans will bankrupt our social institutions and medical care providers. Twenty million in the country right now and the media only admits to about 10 million. In a few years, the total may reach 40 million. Nobody gives a rip. The only hope for American citizens is to get rich and become an expat living overseas.
15 posted on 05/02/2006 9:25:19 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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To: art_rocks
Has the Ponzi family sued the US Government for using his idea.

Not yet.

Charles K. Ponzi Website

Deportation to Italy -- On September 28, 1927 with Ponzi still in a Massachusetts prison, the Immigration Bureau issued a deportation order for Ponzi. The warrant, however, would not be executed until he was released in 1934. The basis of his deportation order was a federal law that allowed deportation of individuals having been convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude. Ponzi challenged the order, claiming that moral turpitude involved a crime against chastity, and did not apply to his larceny conviction.

Mrs. Anna C. M. Tillinghast, United States Immigration Commissioner for Boston, replied in a letter that turpitude was "an act of baseness, vileness or depravity in the private and social duties which man owes to his fellow-men or to society in general, contrary to the accepted and customary rule of right and duty between man and man." Another writ of habeas corpus was denied on June 3, 1932.

On February 14, he was released from Massachusetts prison and arrested by federal authorities as an undesirable alien. Having exhausted his funds, he was unable to raise bail. Ponzi appealed the Immigration Bureau's ruling to the Federal District Court in Boston which upheld the deportation warrant on July 30, 1934. He left the United States for Italy that year.

In July of 1935 he requested permission of the United States consulate to visit the country, and in September of that year he was reported to have been hit by a truck in Italy, receiving only minor injuries.

Authorities may have been concerned that Ponzi had not abandoned his love for the Land of Opportunity. In September of 1939 the FBI interviewed a California man but concluded that he "did not resemble the photograph of Ponzi in any respect."

Ponzi emigrated to Brazil sometime before World War II. The dates here are vague, leaving room for conjecture as to his activities and country of residence in the late 1930's. Nearly destitute when he arrived in Brazil, he eked out a living teaching English, receiving unemployment compensation in slack times.

He reported this most ambitious scheme was an attempt to swindle the Soviet Union out of 2 billion dollars by promising to smuggle gold, adding: "What a joke on the communists that would have been."

His declining years brought infirmity, with paralysis on his left side and partial blindness. He spent his final days in the charity ward of a Rio de Janeiro hospital, and died on January 15, 1949 at the age of 67. A legal agent claimed Ponzi's body and buried him using $75 Ponzi had saved from a Brazilian government pension.

16 posted on 05/02/2006 9:43:48 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: RicocheT

Yes. I think of Bush as a pretty good visionary and we all know that this problem needs to be addressed sooner, rather than later. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the ability to get the masses to understand the importance of facing up to the problem.


17 posted on 05/02/2006 10:01:23 AM PDT by doggieboy (Bush's exit strategy for Iraq is through Iran.)
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To: upchuck

Yeah, Neal, its all the Democrats' fault. Republicans have no culpability at all. Sure thing.


18 posted on 05/02/2006 10:05:26 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: bordergal
The account should follow the person whereever they go, they will be required add to it over their lifetime through automatic paycheck deductions (automatic employee deductions should go into this account over their working life).

Once you've conceded the right of the government to take your money, at the point of a gun, to fund even your own retirement, you've lost the game.

19 posted on 05/02/2006 10:08:18 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: upchuck
By the way ... and this has to be said. One way to forestall -- not prevent, but forestall --- the crisis in funding Social Security and Medicare is to enact the FairTax.

Boortz just admitted that the FairTax will result in a net tax increase on all of us. What a scam! Fortunately, the vast majority of Americans aren't going to fall for that fraud.

20 posted on 05/02/2006 10:09:25 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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