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Mark Steyn: Where's the dissent about source of quote?
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 04/30/06 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 04/30/2006 3:54:54 AM PDT by Pokey78

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To: Reaganesque

Great quotes!

Thanks.


41 posted on 04/30/2006 6:44:39 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Pokey78

Hmmmm. I thought Jefferson said, "Dissent is the greatest form of flattery". I could be wrong.


42 posted on 04/30/2006 7:04:17 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Pokey78

John F. Kennedy, speech, New York Times, October 13, 1960.
"Should I become President... I will not risk American lives...by permitting any other nation to drag us into the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time through an unwise commitment that is unwise militarily, unnecessary to our security and unsupported by our allies."

John Kerry the plagiarist.


43 posted on 04/30/2006 7:13:35 AM PDT by anglian
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To: ScaniaBoy

I just sent them to Mr. Kerry. I should have an automated "Thank you for your concern" letter in no time.


44 posted on 04/30/2006 7:16:26 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: Pokey78
According to the Jefferson Library: "There are a number of quotes that we do not find in Thomas Jefferson's correspondence or other writings; in such cases, Jefferson should not be cited as the source. Among the most common of these spurious Jefferson quotes are: 'Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.' "
45 posted on 04/30/2006 7:20:19 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Reaganesque
I just sent them to Mr. Kerry. I should have an automated "Thank you for your concern" letter in no time.

Probably

Did you send this one also?

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what a fake quote can do for you."

I don't know where Steyn get them all from. He is just fantastic. (That sentence could form the basis of a whole set of buttons, T-shirts or greeting cards, with false quotes on them.)

46 posted on 04/30/2006 7:32:29 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Pokey78

That quote NEVER passed the smell test for this housewife!! Wonder why it did for the super-educated elite?? Hmmmmmmmm.....


47 posted on 04/30/2006 7:34:13 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: jocon307
"The trouble is, says reader Dave Forsmark, who has been waging a one-man campaign to correct what he believes to be a blatant misattribution, "the quote is about two years old, not 200.

It was made by [historian] Howard Zinn in an interview with TomPaine.com to justify his opposition to the War on Terror."

Someone erroneously attributed the quote to Jefferson soon thereafter, and now seemingly everyone is doing it. - urbanlegends.about.com

From www.tompaine.com:
Dissent In Pursuit Of Equality, Life, Liberty And Happiness 
An Interview With Historian Howard Zinn
[Published: July 3, 2002]

Sharon Basco is executive producer of TomPaine.com.

Howard Zinn is an historian and author of A People's History of the United States. Sharon Basco interviewed him for TomPaine.com.


TomPaine.com: Dissent these days seems to be a dirty word. The Bush administration has, at least since September 11th, usually termed any criticism of its policies "unpatriotic."

Howard Zinn: While some people think that dissent is unpatriotic, I would argue that dissent is the highest form of patriotism. In fact, if patriotism means being true to the principles for which your country is supposed to stand, then certainly the right to dissent is one of those principles. And if we're exercising that right to dissent, it's a patriotic act...


48 posted on 04/30/2006 7:35:23 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: Pokey78

Another brilliant column. Thanks Mark, and thanks Pokey.


49 posted on 04/30/2006 7:35:35 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Pokey78

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.
...

I have as little superstition in me as any man living, but my secret opinion has ever been, and still is, that God Almighty will not give up a people to military destruction, or leave them unsupportedly to perish, who have so earnestly and so repeatedly sought to avoid the calamities of war, by every decent method which wisdom could invent. Neither have I so much of the infidel in me, as to suppose that He has relinquished the government of the world, and given us up to the care of devils

-Thomas Paine "The Crisis" 1776-77


50 posted on 04/30/2006 7:37:33 AM PDT by brothers4thID (Being lectured by Ted Kennedy on ethics is not unlike being lectured on dating protocol by Ted Bundy)
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To: Carry_Okie

There is also a "quotation" by Patrick Henry on America being a Christian nation that is faked, yet repeated by all the conservative religious sites, including "Wallbuilders." Henry was quite pro-Christian, but he never said what was attributed to him.


51 posted on 04/30/2006 7:41:04 AM PDT by LS
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To: Pokey78

Directly from the Jefferson Library

http://www.monticello.org/library/reference/quotes.html

Unconfirmed and Incorrectly Attributed Quotes
There are a number of quotes that we do not find in Thomas Jefferson's correspondence or other writings; in such cases, Jefferson should not be cited as the source. Among the most common of these spurious Jefferson quotes are:

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
"We should build an aristocracy of achievement based on a democracy of opportunity."
"An informed citizenry is the bulwark of a democracy."
"Information is the currency of democracy."
"A nation is as good as its values."
There is nothing more unequal than the equal treatment of unequal people."
"When the government fears the people, there is liberty; When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
"I have nothing but contempt for anyone who can spell a word only one way."
"I am a big believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have."
In other cases, quotes are often attributed to Jefferson but were actually said by others:
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." (John Philpot Curran)
"Those who sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither." (Benjamin Franklin)
"That government is best which governs least." (Henry David Thoreau)
"I am a revolutionary so my son can be a farmer so his son can be a poet." (John Adams)


52 posted on 04/30/2006 7:42:30 AM PDT by KCRW (Support those who supported HR4437!)
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To: ScaniaBoy
"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what a fake quote can do for you."
LOL!



In immortal the words of Thomas Jefferson -- err, JFK -- that is,
DAN RATHER: "Fake, but accurate."

53 posted on 04/30/2006 7:44:55 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
This is the fellow who is responsible for the misquote....
Howard Zinn said: "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." Zinn is an activist and IMHO, wrong headed.

Misattributed: 'Dissent Is the Highest Form of Patriotism'

Google the phrase "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" along with the name "Thomas Jefferson" and you will find thousands of Web pages attributing the sentiment to the third president of the United States. The trouble is, says reader Dave Forsmark, who has been waging a one-man campaign to correct what he believes to be a blatant misattribution, "the quote is about two years old, not 200. It was made by [historian] Howard Zinn in an interview with TomPaine.com to justify his opposition to the War on Terror." Someone erroneously attributed the quote to Jefferson soon thereafter, and now seemingly everyone is doing it.

Based on some rudimentary checking, it appears Mr. Forsmark is correct. Can anyone out there cite an original document or speech in which Thomas Jefferson actually wrote or uttered these words?

Teaching them authentic Jefferson quotes would be a better approach. ©Mark Steyn 2006

54 posted on 04/30/2006 7:48:03 AM PDT by yoe (Aim low boys, they're riding Burros.........................)
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To: KCRW

bttt


55 posted on 04/30/2006 7:52:34 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Pokey78

The Left misquote, and no one in the media corrects them!


56 posted on 04/30/2006 8:02:57 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: Savage Beast
So they say. In fact their core belief--the core belief of the Democrat leaders, i.e.--is "power for its own sake; to hell with everything else," and they are very much for that. They obviously can't admit it.

I disagree with this. I think most dems have a pretty clear idea what they are going to do with power and they know that, were they honest about it, they would never get elected. So they hem and haw and find nuances and 'move to the center'--all for the purpose of obfuscating their actual goals. Their lapdogs in the media never call them on the disjoint between what they say and what they do.

The resut is it sounds like they just want power with no real agenda. But in reality, they want power and they have an agenda--only they don't talk about the agenda in public.

57 posted on 04/30/2006 8:35:21 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Pokey78
Dissent for its own sake is like the Democrats' energy policy: We're opposed to any kind of energy; we prefer to be mired in enervated passivity. If the right is full of armchair generals, the left is full of armchair generalities: Nothing can be done, any course is futile, everything's a quagmire. All we can say for certain is that saying so for certain is the highest form of patriotism.

This is the finest Steyn article I have read in sometime.

Mr Steyn single handedly lays waste to the entire philosophy of the raving liberals.

At the core of modern liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ." (PJ O'Rourke)

58 posted on 04/30/2006 8:40:55 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Pokey78

Steyn BTTT


59 posted on 04/30/2006 8:42:36 AM PDT by hattend (You won't know you're being invaded until you try to stop it.)
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To: Pokey78


Ping for referance


60 posted on 04/30/2006 8:47:06 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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