Hasidim in sabbath showdown (orthodox rumble in Brooklyn)

New York Daily News ^ | 4/27/2006 | KERRY BURKE, HEIDI EVANS and BILL HUTCHINSON

[conserv13]

Oy Vey.

[Tax-chick]

"Behold, how good and pleasant it is when brothers dwell in unity ..." (Ps. 133)

[OldFriend]

Uh oh. Wish the grand rebbe would have made his wishes known while he was alive.

It's the tradition that the eldest son becomes the leader.

This will does not honor that tradition.

Look for some serious street rumblings.

[wideawake]

The problem is that there is no single, definitve rabbinical court. Aron can assemble a beis din that will declare him the rightful grand rebbe.

There are a number of longstanding Hasidic feuds in which two separate rabbinical courts have been convened to render opposite judgments.

[freedom9]

Is that the way to keep Shabbat?

[Suzy Quzy]

Fighting over a "Billion Dollar empire that included synagogues, yeshivs, ritual baths, charitable offices, not to mention a social-service organization with a reputation for pulling down TENS of MILLIONS in FEDERAL, STATE and CITY social-WELFARE GRANTS"!!!!

BIG article in Seattle Times worth reading. These Satmar Hasidim are also anti-Zionists and blame the holocaust on the JEWS!!

These Hasidim have had fights between the two camps with broken legs and arms, TORCHED cars and homes!!!

This group has an ENTIRE NEW YORK TOWN of KIRYAS JOEL of 19,000!!!!!! Can anyone imagine an entire town of any other religion be ALLOWED???? I don't get this.

[Suzy Quzy]

They were in STATE COURT 6 hours after tthe burial!

[Jaysin]

anyone can live in Kiryas Joel--but why would you want to!.

in a certain way, us Jews are to blame for the holocaust. Jews in Germany were the MOST assimilated in the world. G-d always punishes us for trying to be like the gentiles. Today, millions of Jews don't follow the Torah and live like "the nations of the world" instead of being a "light to the nations."

Every Jewish person with a Torah education knows that our 2 temples were destroyed because of our own deeds.

[AppyPappy]

This group has an ENTIRE NEW YORK TOWN of KIRYAS JOEL of 19,000

And they have 27,000 different opinions on this matter

[AppyPappy]

If you read the Old Testament, you'll find the Jews always suffered when they placed their fate into the hands of Gentiles.

[joylyn]

Are the Lubavitchers still arguing about whether their late rebbe was the Messiah?

[Liz]

...."Hasidim's Billion Dollar empire includes....a social-service organization with MILLIONS in FEDERAL, STATE and CITY social-WELFARE GRANTS".....

The PBS DOCUMENTARY "HASIDIM IN AMERICA" (found at the PBS web site) showed that under Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society," the Hasidim were designated a "disadvantaged minority."

This designation aloowed Hasidim to became beneficiaries of federal community development funds. Federal and city assistance received over the years include CETA (Comprehensive Employment Training Act) monies, Section 8 housing assistance, school meal funds, Headstart, HUD grants and low interest loans.

In 1984, PBS reported, federal aid to Hasidim was expanded when the federal government included the Hasidim in a priority group of six disadvantaged minorities recognized by all federal agencies.

[avile]

Also American Jews did not rally their government to stop the Holocaust.

[Suzy Quzy]

Ya know, I'll bet that I couldn't buy a house there...whether legally or illegally, like having my tires slasked or my lawn burning.

I have NEVER heard of a Religious group FIST FIGHTING and BURNING homes and cars to gain power!! This is so foreign to me.

I wonder if this group likes the "separation of church and state"?

[Suzy Quzy]

A "light to the nation"......we ALL need to be that.....my only question is what nation?

[Sabramerican]

I have NEVER heard of a Religious group FIST FIGHTING and BURNING homes and cars to gain power!!

Study European history. There were these two groups of Christens, what were they called, oh yeah, Protestants, Catholics, who sometimes didn't get along. Do they get along in Ireland yet? Any fist fighting or tire burnings reported?

[Sabramerican]

=Christians

[Alouette]

They can both be Rebbe. Aaron can be the Kiryas Yoeler Rebbe and Zalman can be the Williamsburger Rebbe.

But who keeps the casino in Las Vegas?

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[Suzy Quzy]

You missed the whole point....these are the SAME religious group.

[Zionist Conspirator]

The just-deceased Grand Rebbe was he son of the late Rabbeny Yo'el (zt"l), correct? The author of VaYo'el Mosheh?