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Cal panel gives grim prognosis for Earth (Stop global warming or Bay could wash over Napa Valley)
Oakland Tribune ^ | 4.23.06 | Douglas Fischer

Posted on 04/23/2006 9:16:14 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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More cheese and whine from those doing more to warm the atmosphere with there rhetoric than anyone.
1 posted on 04/23/2006 9:16:20 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
OH, THE HUMANITY!

Think of the wine that would be destroyed!

2 posted on 04/23/2006 9:17:33 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (My Pug is On Her War Footing)
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To: NormsRevenge

You can always tell when grants are up for renewal--the levels of despair and alarm rise exponentially.


3 posted on 04/23/2006 9:26:38 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: NormsRevenge
The Berkeley institute was formed last year to cross-pollinate the science of the environment with the goal of addressing some of these problems in new and innovative ways.

It doesn't appear to have worked. This is the same self-promoting hubris that has been the core of the global warming movement since it was the global cooling movement.

4 posted on 04/23/2006 9:31:16 AM PDT by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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To: NormsRevenge
...four University of California, Berkeley-affiliated experts

Is that considered to be a circle or a cluster?

5 posted on 04/23/2006 9:32:33 AM PDT by SmithL (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I am still trying to figure out the whole global warming ... lets see .. temps climb means we do not need as much fuel to heat our bodies (thats good), longer growing seasons (thats good), ice caps melt more fresh water (thats good) ....
and ya the whole melting ice caps ... if I fill my cup with ice water to the top and watch the ice melt ... it never over flows .... so were is all this extra water coming from? doesn't ice displace water and when it melts isn't that water replaced with the melting ice causing no additional water level? Just wondering.
6 posted on 04/23/2006 9:33:26 AM PDT by svcw
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To: NormsRevenge

This global warming garbage reminds me of the Salem witch hysteria. So when do these untenured con-men fall to the floor, stomp their little socialist feet and see visions of horned griffins flying out of their butts?


7 posted on 04/23/2006 9:36:18 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Communism is 3 people voting on what's for dinner but you still get the same old rice)
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To: NormsRevenge
These Luddites HAVE never been right with any predictions. Yet the antique press still gives them space.
8 posted on 04/23/2006 9:42:34 AM PDT by Exton1
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To: finnman69; All

Thanks to finnman69 for this link and info re: global warming..

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1620000/posts?page=7#7


9 posted on 04/23/2006 9:47:57 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge

If it sounds too bad or too good to be true it probably isn't true.


10 posted on 04/23/2006 9:48:26 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: svcw

If the ice were floating in the ocean and melted then your ice-in-the-cup analogy works. If it's on land (Greenland, Antarctica) and melts and flows into the ocean, then the ocean level would rise, although how much is hotly debated (pardon the pun).


11 posted on 04/23/2006 10:01:36 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: svcw
if I fill my cup with ice water to the top and watch the ice melt ... it never over flows .... so were is all this extra water coming from? doesn't ice displace water and when it melts isn't that water replaced with the melting ice causing no additional water level? Just wondering.

It's been explained here about a billion times already but I hate to see Freepers look foolish, so...

Not all of the ice that could melt is in water. Vast land areas are covered by snow and ice and any meltwater would flow into the oceans, raising their levels. It's a natural cyclic process that's happened many times in the geologic past. Look at any good relief map showing California's central valley, now an agricultural powerhouse. Anyone can easily see it used to be an inland sea with access to the Pacific through the Sacramento Delta region and San Francisco Bay.

There probably is some 'global warming' but any human contribution to it is questionable. What I'm waiting to hear these Berkeley geniuses reveal is a 'solution' that doesn't involve, first and foremost, redistribution of American wealth to the Third World in a program managed by Marxists/socialists.

12 posted on 04/23/2006 10:07:38 AM PDT by Bernard Marx (Fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but the wise are full of doubts.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica = 15.5 million sq km.

World's oceans equal 361.1 million sq km.

Density of ice vs. water is .93

SO...... Every foot of sea level rise would require more than 27 feet of ice to melt from every ice sheet. I would like to know how long that will take.

Now how long will it take for 270 feet to melt?

How much ice is there total in above sea level ice sheets? Does anyone know?


13 posted on 04/23/2006 10:13:17 AM PDT by SampleMan
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I forgot the clincher. To rise 200 feet, you would have to melt off 5400 feet of ice off of every ice sheet in the world. Is the average elevation of Antarctica really over 5400 feet? Of course this overlooks that a 200 foot rise would increase the oceans surface areas significantly (goodbye Florida and Bangladesh), so the actual amount required would be much higher.
14 posted on 04/23/2006 10:18:44 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: Bernard Marx

It's been explained here about a billion times already but I hate to see Freepers look foolish, so...

Well whatjaknow ....


15 posted on 04/23/2006 10:24:22 AM PDT by svcw
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Some things never change. When I was a junior in engineering in 1972, I was studying dynamic systems and read "The Limits to Growth," a report by The Club of Rome. Their model was based on a "sophisticated computer model" (using the mainframes of the time) predicted catastrophe for the world within 100 years due to the same old arguments we are still hearing 35 years later. Here is the intro to their summary. Sound familiar?

Our world model was built specifically to investigate five major trends of global concern – accelerating industrialization, rapid population growth, widespread malnutrition, depletion of nonrenewable resources, and a deteriorating environment.

The model we have constructed is, like every model, imperfect, oversimplified, and unfinished.

In spite of the preliminary state of our work, we believe it is important to publish the model and our findings now. ...

We feel that the model described here is already sufficiently developed to be of some use to decision-makers. Furthermore, the basic behavior modes we have already observed in this model appear to be so fundamental and general that we do not expect our broad conclusions to be substantially altered by further revisions.

Our conclusions are:

1. If the present growth trends in world population, industrialization, pollution, food production, and resource depletion continue unchanged, the limits to growth on this planet will be reached sometime within the next one hundred years. The most probable result will be a rather sudden and uncontrollable decline in both population and industrial capacity.

2. It is possible to alter these growth trends and to establish a condition of ecological and economic stability that is sustainable far into the future. The state of global equilibrium could be designed so that the basic material needs of each person on earth are satisfied and each person has an equal opportunity to realize his individual human potential.

If the world's people decide to strive for this second outcome rather than the first, the sooner they begin working to attain it, the greater will be their chances of success.

blah, blah, blah.

16 posted on 04/23/2006 10:28:23 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! There'll be Noah's Flood Redux if we don't stop "global warming.: The panel speakers must have missed Mark Steyn's column this morning. In it, he writes depopulation in Europe and Russia is taking care of the supposed crisis quite nicely. Here have environmental alarmists are doom-mongering about the end of the world. Its not that grim, no matter what they'd like you to believe.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

17 posted on 04/23/2006 10:30:25 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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"In the past 200 years, the sea has risen about 5 inches. In the past decade, it's risen another 5."

I would like to see the study that shows this.

The last I heard, the northern hemisphere measurements show about .0001" per day; far short of 1/2" per year.


18 posted on 04/23/2006 10:33:23 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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