Indian intervention in Nepal

4/22/06 | minus_273

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oh yeah for the cultural closeness to india, you need to read more. I dont mean that as an insult. No one who has even read a little about the place would say such a thing. Nepal is traditionally in the chinese sphere of influence. I dont think this is an indian architecture style :

Similarly if you have been in Beijing you will see Nepalese temples there. thats why the chinese government erected a statue of an ancient Nepalese architect

Also, religiously, Nepalese are not Hindus like indians but both Hindu and Buddhist. Talk to a few and you see they can go to both Hindu temples and Buddhist stupas to pray.

Probably the strongest indicator, the Chinese new year is celebrated in Nepal (called Losar) . Does india have its own calendar? If it does i am not aware of its new year being of a holiday there.

[CarrotAndStick]

http://fuchs-online.com/ntpsc/subject/sikkim/geo/sikkim.htm

Sikkim was a hereditary monarchy, ruled by a chogyal (maharaja). The last such ruler was Palden Thondup Namgyal (1923-82), who succeeded to the throne in 1963. Under a treaty with India in 1950, Sikkim received full internal autonomy. Political unrest in the early 1970s, however, caused the chogyal to request Indian troops to restore order in April 1973. New Delhi sent troops and a permanent chief administrator for the protectorate. A month later, the chogyal, leaders of the political opposition, and India signed an agreement providing Sikkim with more democratic government and guaranteeing protection for minority groups.

Unrest continued, however, and by referendum the monarchy was ended in 1975 and Sikkim became an Indian state.


Sikkim (sík´ím), state (1981 pop. 315,682), 2,745 sq mi (7,110 sq km), NE India, bordered by Nepal (W); the Tibet region of China (N); and Bhutan (E). The capital and only town is Gangtok. Located in the E HIMALAYAS, most of Sikkim is mountainous. Subsistence agriculture dominates the economy, rice, corn, and millet being the principal crops. Copper is mined, and cotton weaving is an important local craft. The people are predominantly of Nepalese extraction; Buddhism is the state religion, but the majority of the population is Hindu. Tibetans began to settle in Sikkim in the 16th cent., and in 1642 a Tibetan king started a hereditary line of Sikkimese rulers that lasted until 1975. The territory was a British protectorate from 1890 to 1947.

In 1950 India assumed responsibility for Sikkim's defense, foreign relations, and communications, and Indian aid helped Sikkim overcome its long isolation from the outside world. In 1975 the Sikkimese voted to abolish the monarchy and became the 22d state of the Indian Union.

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"For starters, M.A.D. worked with the Commies"

there are several types of communists. This is the pol pot variety. they are fanatical maniacs.

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um, ever heard of tato pani. Of course you dont. you have no idea what you are talking about. Nepalese go to tibet all the time. There is a partially open border crossing for people to go to tibet to shop. They have really cheap pirated DVDs and CDs :-p
Plenty of people go to tibet from nepal it is a standard package tour route.

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"Bhutan as the remaining independent nation along the Sino-Indian border."

Bhutan is under indian control They use indian currency and india in in charge of the military and foreign affairs. It is all but an indian state.

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that sounds like a familiar sequence of events. Deja vu anyone? but seriously, better an indian state than the killing fields. Rock, meet hard place.

[CarrotAndStick]

oh yeah for the cultural closeness to india, you need to read more. I dont mean that as an insult. No one who has even read a little about the place would say such a thing. Nepal is traditionally in the chinese sphere of influence. I dont think this[ref. pic above] is an Indian architecture style...

Hahaha! Check out Sagar's home page profile. And he's from Nepal.

As for architecture, there is a school of taught believing that martial arts and architecture went from Kerala (the southern state of India which had extensive ancient trading links with China), to China via SE Asia, and not the other way round.

Complex of an ancient temple in Kerala, India.

[CarrotAndStick]

And what happened to my requesting you to give authentic backing to your ludicrous claim of Indian Sikh troops being cowed down in Nepal, in that imaginary Indian "intervension" dream of yours?

[CarrotAndStick]

BTW, 'Nava Varsha' is the Nepali New Year.

The language: Sanskrit

Meaning: Nava = New, Varsha = Year.

[CarrotAndStick]

India steps up border vigil as Nepal braces for more violence

http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=fullnews&id=44708

Sonoli (UP): Security has been tightened up along the Indian side of the India-Nepal border in the wake of increased incidents of violence in Nepal.

The states sharing borders with Nepal have alerted the check posts to keep a strict vigil along the border. The Seema Suraksha Bal (SSB) or paramilitary border guards have been checking every vehicle at the Sonali border point in Uttar Pradesh.

Seema Suraksha Bal Commanding Officer Vijay Kumar said that they were keeping a close watch on the ongoing situations in Nepal.

"Keeping in mind the situation in Nepal, which have been receiving from headquarters, we have increased vigil at the border. Checking has been increased. Patrolling is on. We are keeping a strict eye on the situation," Vijay Kumar said.

Nepal is observing 14th day of a general strike called by the seven-party political alliance opposing King Gyanendra's rule in the Himalayan Kingdom. The Maoists are backing the strike, which started on April 6.

On Tuesday, hundreds of protesters gathered in various parts of the capital, Kathmandu, despite bad weather and attempted to start a procession. However, police foiled their attempt without hurting anyone.

Although the powerful army remains loyal to the king, protests are spreading from the street to the civil service. Nepalese Police arrested at least 25 government officials for demonstrating against King Gyanendra inside the Home Ministry yesterday.

Those detained included the private secretary to Home Minister Kamal Thapa.

The Home Ministry controls the kingdom's police who have been deployed in large numbers to counter growing anti-monarchy protests in recent days. It is the first time officials have joined the opposition protests against the king.

Outside the capital, police fired rubber bullets to break up protests in two towns, injuring about a dozen, witnesses said.

Nepal's political parties have called for mass rallies, and vowed to bring out hundreds of thousands of people on the street on Thursday.

The king earlier this week held talks with the United States, Chinese and Indian ambassadors and indicated that he could meet some of the protesters' demands. The United States and India have been repeatedly calling for the restoration of democracy in the country.

India fears that the Nepal's Maoist rebels may create trouble with the help of Indian Maoists active in the Indo-Nepal border areas.

King Gyanendra sacked the government and assumed full power in February last year, vowing to crush a decade-old Maoist revolt in the country.

He, however, has offered to hold elections by April next year, but the politicians and the activists have demanded immediate transfer of power to an all-party government.

[CarrotAndStick]

Ref #30:

The United States and India have been repeatedly calling for the restoration of democracy in the country.

India fears that the Nepal's Maoist rebels may create trouble with the help of Indian Maoists active in the Indo-Nepal border areas.

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nava/naya varsa is literally new year. look up losar it is also the new year.

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the kathmandu post site that had the picture is long gone for obvious reasons. ekantiur.com the replacement does not have an archive section.

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you have to keep in mind in nepal that the King is a chettri (warrior caste) the army forces are literally family. look at the top officers in the military and you see they are all Thapa and Rana (the old rulers) and many are royal cousins . They will never give up without a fight.

[Gengis Khan]

Frankly Losar celebration is more politically motivated to cozy up to China and to spite at the Indians. Its hardly about cultural affinity.

Although Tibet is occupied by China culturally China is several hundreds of miles away from Nepal on the other side of Tibet.

"Nepal is traditionally in the chinese sphere of influence."

LOL. You are saying it out of your antipathy for Indians. I doubt you really believe that yourself. The fact that Nepal even exists is because of India.

[CarrotAndStick]

Look back what I've already translated regarding the Nepali New Year, mor@n, and come back to me.

As for the bull$hit you tried peddling that day, you have run out of it, haven't you? I repeatedly asked to provide proof on that day, and again did so today.

You failed on *both* occasions. You cut-and-ran that day, and it won't be a surprise if you do so today too. Sorry for you that your nonsense doesn't get a good mileage around here.

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what does sagar page say other than
"The Socialists are the most popular of all, and control the politics. "

which refers to the congress party i assume. That is consistent with what i wrote.

[CarrotAndStick]

NEPAL, CIA World Factbook

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/np.html

Religions:
Hindu 80.6%, Buddhist 10.7%, Muslim 4.2%, Kirant 3.6%, other 0.9% (2001 census)
note: only official Hindu state in the world


Languages:
Nepali 47.8%, Maithali 12.1%, Bhojpuri 7.4%, Tharu (Dagaura/Rana) 5.8%, Tamang 5.1%, Newar 3.6%, Magar 3.3%, Awadhi 2.4%, other 10%, unspecified 2.5% (2001 census)
note: many in government and business also speak English

[Gengis Khan]

Its because of India, willy nilly always ready to protect Nepal, that you would as usual play your China card. No good deed goes unpunished.

Had there been no India and only a commmunist China knocking at your door, I doubt you would have been so enthusiastic about the Nepal's close relationship to China that you would so proudly flaunt the minor architectural semblance of Buddhist temples as proof of Chinese cultural affinity for Nepal. You would fear that the same proof can very well be used by China to claim that Nepal was always part of China just like Tibet.

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losar is the tibetan new year which preceeds Buddhism by over a 1000 years and it is a major holiday. There is also the newari new year which is a much younger calendar and is celebrated in only Kathamndu and called Nepal Sambat. In nepal there are 4 major new years.
The Gergorian one, Bikram sambat (what carrot and stick called nava barsa which just means new year), The chinese one, and Nepal Sambat. All 4 are referred to as nava/naya barsa

The entire top 2/3 of the country is of at least some tibetan descent the indian descent ones are the lower 1/3 in the Terai flat lands and look distinctly different. In the terai region they speak maithali which is almost identical to Hindi. The terai was actually given or given back depending on how you look at it, to nepal by the British Raj so at one point it was part of india.

Tell a newar or a tibetan they are of indian descent and you will get quite a few laughs. There are a ton of castes in the country the majority of the country is very different from india and i have been to both places.