Posted on 04/21/2006 8:06:46 AM PDT by Battle Hymn of the Republic
You are taking this discussion circular.
I was responding to your question asking if I would be concerned by a judge who may have had oral sex on occasion.
Your response was to my earlier assertion that these unnatural sexual proclivities were a sign of psychological disorders. I maintain that such activities ARE disordered and that people with disorders should probably get therapy to correct those disorders before taking positions of such weight and importance as a superior court judge.
A lot of people have oral sex, including heterosexuals, and I don't think it comes up on any of our job reviews.
Good thing I don't live in Elk Grove anymore.
And if you read my post again, you'll see that I never suggested that it does or should.
Just where do YOU draw the line - missionary position twice a week or else you beter see a psychiatrist?
Shheesh!
I didn't say that. You are the one that brought it up, and I made a clear distinction. I said that if someone declared their IDENTITY as "oralsexual" and ran a flag up the pole in front of their house declaring it, and demanded government recognition of their bedroom exploits, then they would need therapy.
If you are going to debate here, you need to pay attention. It's very easy to follow a discussion backwards and read it over again.
yo!
" Not all homosexuals march around with limp wrists waving rainbow flags."
Why aren't their voices being heard?
That's ok!
Let's have a good discussion fellow Freepers!
Los Altos Proposes Affordable Housing, San Francisco Chronicle, Jan 13, 1995.When Los Altos voters rejected a new zoning law to create more affordable housing more than a year ago, it looked as if the city was turning its back on the needs of ordinary working and retired people. Now, hoping to silence the city's critics, Los Altos officials have developed a wide-ranging set of new laws and projects to encourage affordable housing...
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The issue drew greater public attention in November 1993, when Los Altos voters resorted to a referendum, Measure G, to reject a zoning law that would have required developers to include affordable housing in apartment complexes ...
As Los Altos developed its proposals during a series of hearings and meetings last year, the Public Interest Law Firm in San Jose filed a new lawsuit charging the city with violating state law by disregarding affordable housing for 15 years and the needs of low-and very low-income residents.
"I was shocked that Measure G passed," said Katrina Smathers, 60, a Los Altos homeowner who joined the lawsuit. ...
Shawna Schwarz, a 31-year-old research assistant who works in Los Altos but lives in Mountain View, also joined the lawsuit because she feels shut out of the Los Altos housing market. She earns $30,000 a year and is living with a friend and her daughter. "Los Altos is a place we would have looked at if it had been more affordable," she said.
Big on strawmen I see ... I have never said they should die because they're sick. But that was a nice try by you. A sickness of the soul does manifest in behavior problems but it doesn't mean 'they should die'. Pre activism changing the 'medical community' definition of deviancy it was believed homosexuals could be treated and become better balanced, and some have. But you just enjoy your foolish strawmen and have a nice round of golf.
There was a certain Professor of Religion named Dr. Christianson, a studious man who taught at a small college in the western United States. Dr. Christianson taught the required survey course in Christianity at this particular institution. Every student was required to take this course his or her freshman year, regardless of his or her major.
Although Dr. Christianson tried hard to communicate the essence of the gospel in his class, he found that most of his students looked upon the course as nothing but required drudgery. Despite his best efforts, most students refused to take Christianity seriously.
This year, Dr. Christianson had a special student named Steve. Steve was only a freshman, but was studying with the intent of going on to seminary for the ministry. Steve was popular, he was well liked, and he was an imposing physical specimen. He was now the starting center on the school football team, and was the best student in the professor's class.
One day, Dr. Christianson asked Steve to stay after class so he could talk with him.
"How many push-ups can you do?" the Professor asked of Steve.
Steve said, "I do about 200 every night."
"200? That's pretty good, Steve," Dr. Christianson said. "Do you think you could do 300?"
Steve replied, "I don't know ... I've never done 300 at a time."
"Do you think you could?" again asked Dr. Christianson.
"Well, I can try," said Steve.
"Can you do 300 in sets of 10? I have a class project in mind and I need you to do about 300 push-ups in sets of ten for this to work. Can you do it? I need you to tell me you can do it," said the professor.
Steve said, "Well ... I think I can ... yeah, I can do it."
Dr. Christianson said, "Good. I need you to do this on Friday. Let me explain what I have in mind."
Friday came and Steve got to class early and sat in the front of the room. When class started, the professor pulled out a big box of donuts. These weren't the normal kinds of donuts, they were the extra fancy BIG kind, with cream centers and frosting swirls. Everyone was pretty excited it was Friday, the last class of the day, and they were going to get an early start on the weekend with a party in Dr. Christianson's class.
Dr. Christianson went to the first girl in the first row and asked, "Cynthia, do you want to have one of these donuts?"
Cynthia said, "Yes."
Dr. Christianson then turned to Steve and asked, "Steve, would you do ten push-ups so that Cynthia can have a donut?"
"Sure." Steve jumped down from his desk to do a quick ten. Then Steve again sat in his desk. Dr. Christianson put a donut on Cynthia's desk.
Dr. Christianson then went to Joe, the next person, and asked, "Joe, do you want a donut?"
Joe said, "Yes." Dr. Christianson asked, "Steve would you do ten push-ups so Joe can have a donut?"
Steve did ten push-ups, Joe got a donut. And so it went, down the first aisle; Steve did ten pushups for every person before they got their donut.
Walking down the second aisle, Dr. Christianson came to Scott. Scott was on the basketball team, and in as good condition as Steve. He was very popular and never lacking for female companionship.
When the professor asked, "Scott do you want a donut?"
Scott's reply was, "Well, can I do my own pushups?"
Dr. Christianson said, "No, Steve has to do them."
Then Scott said, "Well, I don't want one then."
Dr. Christianson shrugged and then turned to Steve and asked, "Steve, would you do ten pushups so Scott can have a donut he doesn't want?" With perfect obedience Steve started to do ten pushups.
Scott said, "Hey, I said I didn't want one"
Dr. Christianson said, "Look, this is my classroom, my class, my desks, and these are my donuts. Just leave it on the desk if you don't want it." And he put a donut on Scott's desk.
Now by this time, Steve had begun to slow down a little. He just stayed on the floor between sets because it took too much effort to be getting up and down. You could start to see a little perspiration coming out around his brow.
Dr. Christianson started down the third row. Now the students were beginning to get a little angry. Dr. Christianson asked Jenny, "Jenny, do you want a donut?"
Sternly, Jenny said, "No."
Then Dr. Christianson asked Steve, "Steve, would you do ten more push-ups so Jenny can have a donut that she doesn't want?" Steve did ten. Jenny got a donut.
By now, a growing sense of uneasiness filled the room. The students were beginning to say "No" and there were all these uneaten donuts on the desks. Steve also had to really put forth a lot of extra effort to get these pushups done for each donut. There began to be a small pool of sweat on the floor beneath his face, and his arms and brow were beginning to get red because of the physical effort involved.
Dr. Christianson asked Robert--who was the most vocal unbeliever in the class--to watch Steve do each push up to make sure he did the full ten pushups in a set because he couldn't bear to watch all of Steve's work for all of those uneaten donuts. He sent Robert over to where Steve was so Robert could count the set and watch Steve closely.
Dr. Christianson started down the fourth row. During his class, however, some students from other classes had wandered in and sat down on the steps along the radiators that ran down the sides of the room. When the professor realized this, he did a quick count and saw that now there were 34 students in the room. He started to worry if Steve would be able to make it.
Dr. Christianson went on to the next person and the next and the next. Near the end of that row, Steve was really having a rough time, taking a lot more time to complete each set.
Steve asked Dr. Christianson, "Do I have to make my nose touch on each one?"
Dr. Christianson thought for a moment, "Well, they're your pushups. You are in charge now. You can do them any way that you want." And Dr. Christianson went on.
A few moments later, Jason, a recent transfer student, came to the room and was about to come in when all the students yelled in one voice, "NO, don't come in Stay out!"
Jason didn't know what was going on. Steve picked up his head and said, "No, let him come in."
Professor Christianson said, "You realize that if Jason comes in you will have to do ten pushups for him?"
Steve said, "Yes, let him come in. Give him a donut."
Dr. Christianson said, "Okay, Steve, I'll let you get Jason's out of the way right now. Jason, do you want a donut?"
Jason, new to the room, hardly knew what was going on. "Yes," he said, "give me a donut."
"Steve, will you do ten push-ups so that Jason can have a donut?"
Steve did ten pushups very slowly and with great effort. Jason, bewildered, was handed a donut and sat down.
Dr. Christianson finished the fourth row, and then started on those visitors seated by the heaters. Steve's arms were now shaking with each push-up in a struggle to lift himself against the force of gravity. By this time sweat was profusely dropping off of his face, there was no sound except his heavy breathing; there was not a dry eye in the room.
The very last two students in the room were two young women, both cheerleaders, and very popular. Dr. Christianson went to Linda, the second to last, and asked, "Linda, do you want a doughnut?"
Linda said, very sadly, "No, thank you."
Professor Christianson quietly asked, "Steve, would you do ten push-ups so that Linda can have a donut she doesn't want?" Grunting from the effort, Steve did ten very slow pushups for Linda.
Then Dr. Christianson turned to the last girl, Susan. "Susan, do you want a donut?"
Susan, with tears flowing down her face, began to cry. "Dr. Christianson, why can't I help him?"
Dr. Christianson, with tears of his own, said, "No, Steve has to do it alone, I have given him this task and he is in charge of seeing that everyone has an opportunity for a donut whether they want it or not. When I decided to have a party this last day of class, I looked in my grade book. Steve here is the only student with a perfect grade. Everyone else has failed a test, skipped class, or offered me inferior work. Steve told me that in football practice, when a player messes up he must do push-ups. I told Steve that none of you could come to my party unless he paid the price by doing your push ups. He and I made a deal for your sakes."
"Steve, would you do ten push-ups so Susan can have a donut?" As Steve very slowly finished his last pushup, with the understanding that he had accomplished all that was required of him, having done 350 pushups, his arms buckled beneath him and he fell to the floor.
Dr. Christianson turned to the room and said. "And so it was that our Savior, Jesus Christ, on the cross, plead to the Father, 'into thy hands I commend my spirit.' With the understanding that He had done everything that was required of Him, He yielded up His life. And like some of those in this room, many of us leave the gift on the desk, uneaten."
Two students helped Steve up off the floor and to a seat, physically exhausted, but wearing a thin smile.
"Well done, good and faithful servant," said the professor, adding, "Not all sermons are preached in words."
Turning to his class, the professor said, "My wish is that you might understand and fully comprehend all the riches of grace and mercy that have been given to you through the sacrifice of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He spared not only His Begotten Son, but gave Him up for us all, for the whole Church, now and forever. Whether or not we choose to accept His gift to us, the price has been paid."
"Wouldn't you be foolish and ungrateful to leave it lying on the desk?"
Who the hell died and made you king? What gives you the right to proscribe bedroom behavior for a total stranger? Concern yourself with your own bedroom! You disagree with the gay lifestyle, so don't involve yourself in it.
A disorder? It's a lifestyle with which I do not agree. But I will NOT condemn someone that leads a good life, has reared marvelous kids, plays by the rules and contributes to society simply because I do not share his lawful sexual proclivity.
Disorder, indeed. I would argue that thinking that YOU have the right to determine what is acceptable LAWFUL sexual activity between consenting adults, is a "disorder".
Whatever the reasons for your comparison of a law-abiding citizen to the BTK killer, the comparison, under any circumstances, is mind-numbingly stupid.
YOU calm down.
Who the hell died and made you king? What gives you the right to proscribe bedroom behavior for a total stranger? Concern yourself with your own bedroom! You disagree with the gay lifestyle, so don't involve yourself in it.
I'm not attempting to proscribe their behavior any more than I'm trying to proscribe behavior of schizophrenics, paranoids, or other people with behavioral disorders. I am merely pointing out that until they correct their disorders they shouldn't be holding positions like superior court judges.
Whatever the reasons for your comparison of a law-abiding citizen to the BTK killer, the comparison, under any circumstances, is mind-numbingly stupid.
I was not comparing them to the BTK killer, and you know it. I was comparing YOU to the BTK killers NEIGHBORS. You both imagined that it was possible to accurately assess a person's psyche by outward behavioral signs. As we all know now, that can be a flawed assumption.
Lighten up, Francis.
Several trolls on this here thread! LOL
Do you seek to identify yourself by your sexual proclivities, especially if those proclivities are historically (in the U.S. and Western Civ generally) considered deviant? ... The homosexual community activists absolutely do and are so adamant about it that they seek to force society to stamp them as 'just as normal' and to teach children (which the homosexual community doesn't propagate naturally) that deviancy ought be acceptable even as an 'in-your-face' alternate lifestyle. And you echo that same agenda with your irrational off-course strawman arguments that play 'apologetics' for deviancy. Do your soulmates at DU praise your dissembling foolery as this thread has unfolded?
In the case of "heaven" the Ozzie & Harriet picture of homosexuality you attempt to paint would be summarily rejected.
I would suggest your moral relative arguments glorifying things homosexual would be better received on DU.
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Any anecdotal 'good' you herald as somehow homosexually good is actually good in spite of the homosexual disorder NOT because of it...
LOL - Objectively it is a heterosexual disorder - a procreative dead end e.g. two men exploring each others colons in brokeback fashion and calling it 'love' is quite abnormal...
As there is no physical test to identify those suffering the homosexual disorder its cause was rightly assumed to be 'mental'.
However, denying the cause of the disorder is mental DOES NOT deny that the disorder exists...
You argue here for the homosexualization of society -something I oppose and something not given a platform on FR.
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