Posted on 04/20/2006 4:08:59 PM PDT by shoptalk
FFI thought he was forced to us Navy pilots first, one of which he wanted to court-martial, then he was forced to use Marine pilots.
When did the Army pilots try out?
I think I figured out why you would call one of our most famous commandos, and the creator of the worlds most elite Special Forces unit (Delta) a moron. See below
Sorry Display: To this day, the Delta commandos hold a grudge against the
Marine helicopter pilots. "If you're going to do these kinds of things, you
better have the right cuts of cloth in pilots," Beckwith says. "If you ask
me would I do it again with that crowd, the answer would be absolutely no."
According to other sources close to Delta, the pilots did not acquit
themselves well in training. They had no appreciation for secrecy; they
called their wives over open phone lines and left codes lying around. One
source called the final dress rehearsal in March 1980 "the sorriest display
of professionalism I've ever seen." According to this source, when the
helicopters rehearsed the nighttime landing at Desert Two, they set down as
much as a mile apart.
Whatever the case, the actual mission quickly went wrong. Flying into Iran
from the carrier U.S.S. Nimitz, one helicopter went down and another lost
its way in a dust storm and returned to the carrier. A third reached Desert
One but was found to have an irreparable malfunction. Already so late that
he could not reach Desert Two before first light, Beckwith was left with
five choppers and an operational plan that said he needed six. In addition,
some of the pilots were badly shaken by the ordeal of flying six hours
through swiriing dust. According to Beckwith, the pilot of the first
helicopter to arrive at Desert One told him that if they had any sense they
would abandon their choppers in the desert and fly home. The pilot of the
second chopper to arrive got out of his aircraft and staggered 200 yards out
into the desert. When Beckwith and his men caught up with him, he said, "You
have no idea what I've just been through." Chargin' Chariie later told
friends that he was so angry he nearly drew his pistol on the commander of
the helicopter pilots.
Some of the helos went by way of Diego Garcia but the Nimitz picked up some H-53s in Naples before it left after the Christmas holidays. Nimitz then sailed around the Cape of Good Hope and was on station shortly after that. Nimitz was at sea for 144 days, most of it waiting for the 'go' orders for the mission. After that it sailed back around the Cape and to it's home port of Norfolk.
I was on the Nimitz for that operation.
But members of the team in general did. I've also heard (not from him) that the official story is not the whole story.
The entire squadron of RH-53's came from HM-16, and they came through Diego Garcia
I have read some accounts that a coup was in the works, also, and that an aircraft full of generals (Iranian) was shot down.
Really? I wasn't conscious back then.
The article says that Cyrus Vance, the Secretary of State, had submitted his resignation in protest the day of the planned rescue attempt, even before it failed. I don't know the circumstances behind this, but how can a man abandon his President in a time of crisis? Are their other circumstances I don't know about? I am seriously asking, as I don't want to badmouth a man without knowing.
The Nimitz left Naples with H-53s aboard. I was there.
I was off Iran for the rescue attempt and the website I have been pointing you to is mine and I have spoken to the men of the mission.
My squadron was flying SAR for the mission.
The 53's used in the Mission came from HM-16 and went through Diego Garcia
I never said that the mission 53s did not go through Diego Garcia, only that Nimitz loaded SOME 53s in Naples before leaving for the mission.
In post 63, you clearly said they did.
You were wrong.
and post 38
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