Posted on 04/15/2006 8:14:44 AM PDT by churchillbuff
Ok - correction accepted.
Bullsh!t! I minimize no accomplishments where American lives are the price paid. Your warped historical perspective is no excuse for your stupid accusations.
The is means so much coming from Buchanan........
bwahahahahahahaha!
Could be. But it doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong.
First they are a distinct minority. Second, what exactly are they saying that leads you to believe that Rumsfeld is incompetent? It is more about his style and abrasiveness. What decisions has Rumsfeld made that are so terrible? The idea that a SecDef can make momentous decisions in isloation is nuts. The Army is unhappy because the Stryker project and the XM2001 Crusader were cancelled. It wasn't Rumsfeld who wanted to issue all Army troops with black berets, which had previously been worn only by the Rangers. Shinseki made that call. What do you want us to do now in Iraq that we aren't.
What I learned from Vietnam, is not to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The Dems and the MSM demonized the military, distorted what was happening on the ground (remember the Tet "defeat'), castigated the Nixon administration, and pulled the rug out from under the South Vietamese by cutting off funding. The attacks on Rumsfeld began in 2004 leading up to the Presidential election. These latest attacks coincide with the runup to the mid-terms. It is all political with the ultimate objective to see us lose in Iraq because it benefits the Dems politically.
We are stuck in Iraq God knows for how long into the future. Rumsfeld says we can't just walk away and turn our backs now. Fine, but the people of Iraq are hell bent on slaughtering each other as they do on a daily basis with our soldiers caught up in the middle...
Sounds like you are buying the MSM crap. How many Iraqis are being slaughtered each day and where are they being slaughtered. Iraq is a nation of 25 million and the size of California. Our casualty rate has been trending down the past six months. The Iraqis are assuming more and more responsibility for their security as they are being trained in increasing numbers. The Iraqi military and police are losing more people than we are.
Meantime while the leadership whistles dixie, our soldiers (our sons and daughters) are caught equally dead right dab in the middle of their "holy" war with each other. Now comes our daily report: Two US soldiers killed in Anbar Our soldiers deserve better...and these Generals just might be onto something. I dare say, they have earned the right to be heard. We deserve Bin Ladens head on a platter and I doubt he is in Iraq.
Iraq is no Vietnam. Our KIA casualties have averaged 600 a year for the past three years. AQ has declared Iraq as the frontline in their war against us. We are fighting some of the same folks who committed 9/11 and killed 3000 people on our soil, blew up our embassies in East Africa, and bombed the USS Cole and Khobar towers. Iraq is part of the global WOT. We can't just walk away.
Ping for later reading
I compared the enemy and the forces they commanded. You need to appologise for the original idiotic comparison.
I'm out of here before my patience with self-important idiots runs too thin. I'm going to the Veterans Home to visit some old friends and get the stink out of my nostrils from being too close to this screen. Maybe when you grow up, you'll know what I mean.
DO IT NOW!
Incorrect. Actually Rumsfeld had the JCS with Myers "discuss" with CENTCOM and Franks lowering their requested troops levels. The analogy is like Marshall asking Ike before D-Day to lower the troops needed to invade. It's wrong .... just like Rumsfeld is still wrong.
The most current real time problem where Rumsfeld is wrong is the declared "National Emergency". It ends this September. Rumsfeld has had 5 years to come up with troops levels needed to fight the "Axis of Evil" and the GWOT without using the Guard ... Has he? What are his plans? ....I know .... he will just weasel out and ask that the emergency continue....again Rumsfeld is STILL wrong.
Incorrect. Actually Rumsfeld had the JCS with Myers "discuss" with CENTCOM and Franks lowering their requested troops levels.
No.
I've seen quotes from both Myers and Franks saying that they were part of the troop level decision making process and that they got what they wanted.
You should document Myers and Franks saying that they didn't get what they thought was the correct number of troops.
Good Luck to you and Happy Easter.
Excellent points
Having served in the military for 24 years I have seen enough generals and their egos to last a life time. Bush was only limited by the reductiuon in force that the Klintons forced on the military hoping for that big "peace dividend" so they could spend it on pet projects at the expense of the military...where were the generasl then?
Y'know, the PR stuff that is so important in this war....
Those were lapses of discipline specific to the Army.
Our performance otherwise has been stunning, but the army is 'a little uneven' in culture and attitude between the support and combat units.
If Rumsfeld was smart enough to figure out that the Crusader artillery vehicle needed to be cancelled, he's OK by me. I worked on it--it was FUBAR and wouldn't work. It was, however, a vehicle that would allow women into field artillery--that's what it was designed to be--no manhandling rounds anymore.
Case closed .... document provided by you. My analogy is valid and Rumsfeld is wrong.
Great point.
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