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The Constitution Party on the War on Terror
The Constitution Party ^ | 4-11-06

Posted on 04/11/2006 7:31:43 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: TBP
"But if we lose the Constitution, we lose America."

Respectfully, the actions by this Administration have not put the Constitution in jeopardy.

21 posted on 04/11/2006 8:25:20 AM PDT by Sam's Army (Another unsuccessful attempt to refrain from posting)
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To: SJackson; general_re
A shame about the broken pic link at #57.
22 posted on 04/11/2006 8:27:19 AM PDT by dighton
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To: SJackson

Truth in Advertising:

The Tinfoil Hat Psycho Jesus Party - not the Constitution Party.

I swear - throwing in the word "Constitution" is all it takes to get some slack-jaws in an excited lather.


23 posted on 04/11/2006 8:27:23 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: trubluolyguy
Interesting, then you can explain a couple of the major issues to me.

Abortion, if a Supreme Court opinion is binding on the parties to the controversy as to the particulars of the case, it is not a political rule for the nation. , who is going to find that ban on abortion the CP contends is in the Constitution? The Executive Branch?

Social Security, eliminating it is a losing position, but a position at least. The CP notes the government has an obligation to pay those who've paid ss taxes. That's fine as a moral position, though it conflicts with their contension that SS is unconstitutional. As does there proposal to eliminate the pensions of legislators, also an obligation. How are they going to continue SS payments as the program winds down, if the SS tax is unconstitutional and thus won't be collected? They do know it's a pay as you go program, don't they?

Panama Canal. To propose that the government of the United States restore and protect its sovereign right and exclusive jurisdiction of the Canal Zone in perpetuity while at the same time promising never again shall United States troops be employed on any foreign field of battle without a declaration of war by Congress, as required by the United States Constitution is just plain silly. Are we going to declare war on Panama, and if not how does that fit with except in time of declared war, for the purposes of state security, no state national guard or reserve troops shall be called upon to support or conduct operations in foreign theatres.

Eliminate the "general ticket" electoral concept, return the election of Senators to the States, people are up nights worrying about that issue.

Eliminate the income tax, ss tax, and estate tax as unconstitutional, oppose to the flat-rate tax, national sales tax, and value added tax proposals on similar grounds I presume, and fund the government with tariffs. You better have some solid data to back that idea up with.

jury shall be fully informed of its right to nullify the law, what's that, outreach to OJ supporters?

You may suupport them in totality, but in my view the platform is a hodgepodge to pick off single issue voters. And they're not even successful at that.

24 posted on 04/11/2006 8:27:38 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: ex-snook
The war on terror [bin Laden and AQ] should not be conflated with the war on Iraq [regime change].

Of course not, there should be no war on terror, simply punishment of the criminals involved.

Individuals responsible for acts of terrorism must be punished for their crimes, including the infliction of capital punishment where appropriate. In responding to terrorism, however, the United States must avoid acts of retaliation abroad which destroy innocent human lives, creating enmity toward the United States and its people;

25 posted on 04/11/2006 8:29:26 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: Tokra
This one statment cost the Constitution Party any credibility they might have had. Sounds exactly like it is coming straight from the lips of George Soros.

By and large, I find myself in complete agreement with the CP. But you're right, this one issue is pivotal, and that statement stands in complete contrast to an otherwise soundly conservative platform.

26 posted on 04/11/2006 8:30:03 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: ex-snook
The war on terror [bin Laden and AQ] should not be conflated with the war on Iraq [regime change].

Read the documents showing the connection between the Saddam regime and AQ, and those showing the information on the WMDs.

27 posted on 04/11/2006 8:34:08 AM PDT by TBP
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To: Taxman
The CP War on Terror plank renders it unfit for command.

Why? We SHOULD have declared war in Congress for all this. If we declared war, not only would it be constitutional, it would also bring into play those nice things like sedition laws and make other necessities kosher as well.

28 posted on 04/11/2006 8:34:27 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Every man must be tempted, sometimes,to hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.)
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To: Centurion2000
Why? We SHOULD have declared war in Congress for all this. If we declared war, not only would it be constitutional, it would also bring into play those nice things like sedition laws and make other necessities kosher as well.

Sedition laws? You better reread the platform, I can't imagine the CP supporting sedition laws.

29 posted on 04/11/2006 8:36:50 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: Taxman
There are times these days Taxman that I feel like a ping pong ball bouncing madly from side to side in a heated game of table tennis.

I thanks the good Lord for giving us sleep that I may clear my mind and sort my thoughts.

I thank FR for a forum to debate, evaluate, reason, study, and decide.

I know where I stand today and among my stances;

I do not want a repeat of '92.
I do not want amnesty or open borders.
I am solid in the belief our campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan are vital to our national defense.

It is in our best interests that we fight hard within the Republican party, that McCain is not a national voice, that Hagel, Chaffee, Voinavich among others represent their constituents or they will be removed.

Just as I never see myself pulling a "D" lever so do I not see myself pulling a "CP" lever. Sure I might talk tough on threads here and there about consequences to Republicans but talk is cheap.

The bottom line is if I want the best leadership for our Republic, for my family, I will have to choose. And that choice will have to be working within the ruling majority party. That is a position of strength, a position where I must reward the conservatives and shun the jellyfish and warblers.

I remain firm in my prayer, Lord, grant me the steadfastness that I may perform my civic duties this November that I may strengthen our nation.

Your post summed up in a few sentences my thoughts regarding this thread. Thanks
30 posted on 04/11/2006 8:37:24 AM PDT by A message
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To: SJackson
We condemn the presidential assumption of authority to deploy American troops into combat without a declaration of war by Congress, pursuant to Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution.

That particular plank of the Constitution Party is so incomplete regarding the US Constitution that it is breath-taking.

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

As most anyone can see, the constitution provides for all kinds of military action less than all-out war. It also provides Congress the authority to make and pass laws. Congress has passed various laws that define and control military operations that are less than all-out war.

31 posted on 04/11/2006 8:39:18 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: SJackson
The CP is an exercise in single issue futility.

If you think the Constitution Party is "single-issue," it shows that you haven't bothered to read the platform. I find myself agreeing with much more of it on a range of issues than with any other party's platform or policies.

32 posted on 04/11/2006 8:39:33 AM PDT by TBP
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To: A message

"Compulsory government service is incompatible with individual liberty."

I don't think history bears that out. I tend to be sympathetic to the CP, but I don't really like a lot of their platform. They seem to be a bit over the top.


33 posted on 04/11/2006 8:42:00 AM PDT by davidwendell
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To: SJackson

What's the Constitution Party's stance on Iran's nuclear weapons and/or China's still targetted nuclear weapons on American sites? I'm not trying to make a point, I honestly don't know and would like to.

Thanks!


34 posted on 04/11/2006 8:43:20 AM PDT by figgers3036
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To: TBP
If you think the Constitution Party is "single-issue," it shows that you haven't bothered to read the platform. I find myself agreeing with much more of it on a range of issues than with any other party's platform or policies.

I've read it, address posts 24 and 31 please.

IMO the CP garners support, and not much of it, by picking off single issue voters. The platform is shallow, inconsistant and bereft of details on programs that would turn the country on it's head..

35 posted on 04/11/2006 8:44:13 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson

You may suupport them in totality, but in my view the platform is a hodgepodge to pick off single issue voters. And they're not even successful at that.




Then you shouldn't vote for them.


36 posted on 04/11/2006 8:44:59 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (Must...obey....taco....man)
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To: figgers3036
What's the Constitution Party's stance on Iran's nuclear weapons and/or China's still targetted nuclear weapons on American sites? I'm not trying to make a point, I honestly don't know and would like to.

Don't know, though it's clear in their it would take a Congressional declaration of war to act.

37 posted on 04/11/2006 8:46:12 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson

So this "party" believes in surrender and aligns with Kerry on Terror and War. Bye-bye.


38 posted on 04/11/2006 8:47:29 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: trubluolyguy
Then you shouldn't vote for them.

I don't intend to, I was simply interested in supporters explain some of their positions, as noted in post 24 and 31.

39 posted on 04/11/2006 8:47:32 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: xzins
We condemn the presidential assumption of authority to deploy American troops into combat without a declaration of war by Congress, pursuant to Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution....That particular plank of the Constitution Party is so incomplete regarding the US Constitution that it is breath-taking.

Yes, thanks for the post.

40 posted on 04/11/2006 8:48:20 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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