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A Right to Migrate?
TCS Daily ^ | 04.06.06 | Nathan Smith

Posted on 04/08/2006 7:53:38 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: Coleus
This fellow has been spending too much time sequestered in a university office or some such - he needs to actually go out into the world and see for his own eyes the real-world impact of illegal immigration and 'La Raza'.

Or come over here to Free Republic.

61 posted on 04/08/2006 9:09:04 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: freedumb2003
As I read that line, I got a mental picture of the female rancher, attempting to raise her children, and make a living, while also attempting to pick up all the trash, human waste, prescription medicine wrappers, backpacks, some 200 bicycles, and other assorted tons of trash left by illegal interlopers on her property that lies adjacent to the Mexican border. This poor lady does not even have the peace of knowing these are harmless, law-abiding citizens, as they cut her fences and let her cattle roam.

I am certain she would have a very different opinion entirely from this author's ill formed, pseudo-academic, and overly wordy, editorial.

Perhaps the saddest thing about this lady's story is that it is multiplied by every rancher, farmer, business, and even National Park, that occupies land that is bordered by Mexico. One of our National Forests has suffered the loss of over 60,000 acres of forest due to campfires left unattended by illegals. Illegals do no harm?
62 posted on 04/08/2006 9:14:56 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: clawrence3
"Putting aside for a moment those born here are U.S. citizens, according to Plyer v. Doe, schools are provided for ALL children, regardless of immigration status."

I'm for putting aside lawyers who cite socialist legal precedents and for enforcing our laws and constitution as written and intended.

63 posted on 04/08/2006 9:16:43 PM PDT by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: Coleus

If Mexican immigrants ultimately voted 75% Republican, Ol' Nathan would be personally planting land mines along the border.


64 posted on 04/08/2006 9:20:26 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: muawiyah; clawrence3
There is no legal precedent for the supposed 'right to migrate', but there is legal precedent for the right of expatriation. It's the one currently being violated by the crimmivaders, their imploiters, and the US Vichynate.

If the author can ignore 5,000 years of precedent for sovereignty and borders, and make up rights out of thin air, I should have the right to ignore the conventions of the English Language and make up words. (The march toward anarchy continues...)

65 posted on 04/08/2006 9:23:25 PM PDT by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: Coleus
Critics of immigration from the right like to say they support "defending our borders." This is a clever phrase, because it erases the distinction between peaceful workers and invading armies.

According to the author's logic if a family of people came into his house uninvited and just helped themselves to his food, TV, and furniture it would not be immoral. I don't mean that they steal it, mind you, they just use it right there. They mean no harm and threaten no one they just help themselves to whatever. If asked to leave they scream and rant and call a lawyer. They put up a sign out front with their names on it too.

No, nothing immoral about that. If you're a liberal.

66 posted on 04/08/2006 9:23:58 PM PDT by TigersEye (Sedition and treason are getting to be a Beltway fashion.)
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To: Ciexyz
They get a free ride in more ways than that. Just what exactly is fair about this.....as Americans we're to have a drivers license if we drive a car, it we own a car, we're expected to have insurance.....if we get stopped and don't have the above mentioned, we're in trouble. When an illegal gets stopped, he's sent on his way.


They put their kids in our schools, get free lunches and proceed to drive up after school to pick their kids up, in new suv's or in one instance , a Hummer. This is in a small town that has a Tyson meat packing plant and the school has over 55% Hispanic kids enrolled, and bring out the Mexican flag and run around the football field with the thing.

The guy that wrote the above article is a liberal nut. He's like the Congress, and the President, they all should have to come out and live midst the mess that's being made all across this country.

And for the record, I'm NOT against immigration, but it darned well should be LEGAL and not the waves of poor, unskilled people that are coming here 24/7.
67 posted on 04/08/2006 9:25:07 PM PDT by Molly T.
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To: William Terrell
Well, no, it's not. History is full of the real thing.

You are wasting your time with Claw, he is either a paid agent on is interviewing for the job. There are a few others here as well, Dane being one that comes to mind.

Hell will freeze over before they say illegal means against the law.

68 posted on 04/08/2006 9:28:25 PM PDT by itsahoot (Any country that does not control its borders, is not a country. Ronald Reagan)
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To: clawrence3
"Slippery slope" is a logical fallacy as well."

Not really. 'Slippery slope' is actually a horse-sense term used to describe how hard it is to get back to the top of a hill once you've started a downward course. It's a truism, not a fallacy. It holds in physics, biology, warfare, religion, and politics. Slippery slope is the mechanism of liberalization.

69 posted on 04/08/2006 9:28:33 PM PDT by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: clawrence3
When you increase your lot at the expense of others, it is theft, and further compounded by fraud (using forged documents that others take in good faith) and rape/assault (forcing oneself on others without consent).

The court in your little case is dead wrong, for political reasons prevailing in 1982 when it came down, pre-amnesty. The court has been dead wrong and is getting more dead wrong.

70 posted on 04/08/2006 9:29:21 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: clawrence3

As you've probably been told, that was a ruling by only another liberal judge who seems to share the opinion of the posted article. That opinion being, the US IS responsible for the entire planet.

AND, I plan to do everything in my power to see that these illegal interlopers are NOT "new American citizens".


71 posted on 04/08/2006 9:30:13 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: DCPatriot
"And guess whose labor was at the very core of the housing industry?"

US Citizens, and by nearly a 3-to-1 ratio. Not only that, but the US citizens working in the housing industry are now making less for their labors thanks to the flood of illegals.

72 posted on 04/08/2006 9:31:17 PM PDT by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: DCPatriot
"Would you rather they be allowed to get sick and die in the gutter?"

Nope. Rather they were sent home to get sick/treated/die/whatever in the countries where they rightly belong.

73 posted on 04/08/2006 9:32:54 PM PDT by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: freedumb2003; clawrence3

"I am not a Know-Nothing. That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that “all men are created equal.” We now practically read it “all men are created equal, except negroes.” When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read “all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics.” When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty--to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy.

Mary will probably pass a day or two in Louisville in October. My kindest regards to Mrs. Speed. On the leading subject of this letter, I have more of her sympathy than I have of yours."

And yet let say I am

Your friend forever

A. Lincoln--

http://www.founding.com/library/lbody.cfm?id=319&parent=63


74 posted on 04/08/2006 9:39:01 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: itsahoot

What Are the Immigrant Permits

Immigrant Permits are issued to foreign nationals who have the intention of gaining permanent residency in Mexico. Under immigrant schemes, you are permitted to reside in the country, provided that you fulfil certain criteria (as specified by the type of permit) for a period of up to one year. The permit is renewable annually, for one year, for a further four years. At the end of the five year period, you automatically receive residency status, entitling you to full rights and benefits as any other Mexican Citizen, with the exception of the right to vote.

Upon receiving this status, you will receive a document that looks like a Mexican Passport (called a "FM2") which enables you pass through Mexico's borders as if you were Mexican National. You do not need to surrender your national passport, and you use your own passport when you return to your home country, either for visits, or when returning home to dwell. If you stay outside of Mexico for longer than 2 years, or for 5 years in any 10 year period, you will lose your resident status in Mexico.


Below are the kinds of people who can apply for Immigrant Permits, with a view to taking up permanent residency in Mexico:

Retirees

Investors

Professionals

Scientists & Technicians

Artists and Sportspeople


Retirees
If you are over 50 years of age, and want to engage in "non remunerative activities" and you are receiving funds from abroad (from a pension or other investments or fixed income) at least to the value of 400 times the daily minimum daily wage per month and a further 200 times daily minimum wage per month for each dependent (e.g. spouse, children) then you can apply for a Retiree Immigration Permit. Read more about retirement in Mexico on Mexperience.

Investors
You can receive an immigration permit if you are willing to invest your capital in Mexico. You investment can be directed at industry or services, and must equal a minimum of 40,000 times the minimum daily wage in Mexico City.

Professionals
If you are a qualified professional, you can have your certificates validated by the Mexican Consulate and apply for an immigration permit to live in Mexico. You must be sponsored by a company who must satisfy the authorities that you are essential to their operative requirements.

Scientists & Technicians
If you are involved in science, or are a qualified technician, whether commercially or for education, you can apply for an immigration permit in Mexico. You may need to be invited by one of the established scientific or technical organizations in Mexico.

Artists and Sportspeople
These people can apply for an immigration permit. Each case is considered individually and entry is at the Interior Ministry's discretion.




Can I be granted Mexican Citizenship?

Acquiring Mexican Citizenship is an involved process, and it is not easy to do. As a minimum, you must have been living in Mexico for 5 years (2 years under special circumstances) and have resident status. Marriage to a Mexican national may allow Citizenship without the residency requirement. For matters concerning the acquisition of Mexican Citizenship, seek professional advice and contact your local Mexican Consulate.


Which Permit is right for Me?

Non Immigrant - i.e., you do not want to acquire permanent residency in Mexico:

For holidays and casual trips to Mexico: just fill out and use the tourist permit, available from the airline you travel with or the port of entry.

For work placements: If you plan to live in Mexico for a period of less than 5 years, then a Visitors Permit, renewable annually, is probably your best option.

For Other Activities: you should acquire a permit commensurate with your activity - e.g. Student, Journalist.

Immigrant, Active: - i.e. you do want to acquire permanent residency in Mexico AND work there:

You will need to satisfy the requirements for entry (e.g. professional, sponsored by a company, etc), or be able and prepared to invest at least 40,000 times the minimum daily wage in Mexico City.

Immigrant, Non-Active: - i.e. you do want to acquire permanent residency in Mexico but NOT work there:

If you are of retirement age (50+), and have at least US$1,500 or equivalent income per month, then a Retiree permit will be your easiest route.

If you are not of a retirement age (below 50) and want to live but not work in Mexico, you will need to contact the Mexican Consulate. Provided that you can prove a permanent steady income in line with the regulations, you may be granted an FM3 permit to live in Mexico, which would be eligible for conversion to an FM2 in 5 years.

You will need to state what you intend to do there, e.g. early retirement due to health, etc.

So, this looks like something that works for me: if they want to be held to these laws, let them come, otherwise see above post (shoot on sight). Also, if you are not a natural born Mexican you cannot: own desirable real estate, displace any Mexican from a job, vote EVER, and can be deported anytime, for any reason, by any official of the Mexican government; you will never be allowed to forget that you are there ONLY at their pleasure. Why the hell does Vicente Fox think he can dictate immigration laws on us that his own country does not honor???

Segovia


75 posted on 04/08/2006 9:58:58 PM PDT by Segovia (Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.)
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To: Coleus
Or is it wrong to break the law, per se?

Well, yes. However, it is a rebuttable presumption. I have yet to hear a valid argument from the pro-illegals that effectively rebuts the presumption. Typically, they spout little more than Marxist principles.

76 posted on 04/08/2006 10:03:11 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Coleus

Message To All Illegal Alien's:

http://tinyurl.com/o2ht4


From one who came into the U.S. the right way, the LEGAL way. If I and so many others can do it so can you, damn it!


77 posted on 04/08/2006 10:19:31 PM PDT by AmeriBrit (USE CONGRESSIONAL PENSION FUNDS TO SECURE OUR BORDERS!)
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To: Coleus
On the other hand, no one is harmed by it in the strictest sense.

I consider murder, rape, assault, battery being harmed in the strictest sense.

No one's person is violated.

Tell that to the victims and families of the above crimes.

No one's property is stolen or damaged.

Tell that to the citizens that own property along the border that is being destroyed and their houses broken into. The damage to my National Parks can also be included.

The authors an idiot.

78 posted on 04/08/2006 10:23:42 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Coleus

People who enter and stay in this country without permission aren't immigrants - they're colonizers. When we evict these people, we're merely engaged in decolonization. Isn't decolonization supposed to be a *good* thing?


79 posted on 04/08/2006 10:27:24 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: DCPatriot
Why aren't you screaming about the billions going to rebuild that cesspool New Orleans? Or, the millions wasted on serveillance cameras in remote towns in Alaska.\?

Because the topic of this thread isn't NO or Alaska.

It's disingenuous to imply Freepers are pro-spending except for illegals.

80 posted on 04/08/2006 10:27:25 PM PDT by stands2reason
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