"The True History of the Southwest, 101"

My own study and research | April 8th, 2006 | Travis McGee

[Shuttle Shucker]

The more pressure we keep on Mexico, immigration-wise, the more reformers inside of Mexico can be emboldened and empowered to scale back monopolists' abuses down there which keep our own country flooded with economic refugees. Here's an interesting new thread on new legal progress that finally emerged in Mexico I think as a result of immigration reform's failure:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611677/posts

[Czar]

This deserves some bumps.

Here's mine.

[Iwo Jima]

I think it's too late unless we are willing to surrender our national sovereignty.

It's not too late. They will need to conquer Texas first. And they will never conquer Texas.

That's the missing ingredient in all these calculations -- what about Texas? Texas fought for and won this land before, and we will do it again. Make no mistake about that. And it does not matter what Bush or our federal government thinks that we ought to do.

We will secure this border and repel this invasion.

Anyone want to help us out? Anyone willing to post a sign on their front door saying "Gone to Texas"?

[Travis McGee]

Thanks for the history of California. Essentially, the history is a bit different in California, AZ and NM (which were one province at the time) and Texas. But in all three cases, the Mexican govt had no effective control after 1821.

[Travis McGee]

The large employers of illegal aliens are now terrified of their workers, because of (among other reasons) the threat of ruinous equipment sabotage if their illegals are threatened with deportation.

[Travis McGee]

I think that Texas will be a battleground state, for sure. But it will not be a war fought on open ground between military formations this time. It will be urban warfare, with our govt unwilling to use heavy weapons. Sarajevo times ten.

[Iwo Jima]

Agreed. But Texans will never give up Texas.

Never.

[planekT]

Good. Let them show their dark hand for all to see. Trash the dessert. Trash the cities. Fly that Mexican Flag. Turn the American Flag upside down. Throw down the race card. Spread the fear.

Let them trash some factories. Then they won't have as much money to lobby for taxpayer subsidized "cheap" illegal labor.

Maybe our representivies would take notice then.

[planekT]

btw, Great essay and I'm sure glad you're back!

[RobbyS]

Some Mexicans were driven from Texas. Many rancheros who lived north of the Nueces lost their lands. However, they were not that numerous to begin with, and were greatly outnumbered by the Anglos who settled Austin's colony. Not a great many people of "mexican" descent lived in San Antonio in 1900. There were more German-speakers in the town than Spanish-speakers--or English-speakers, for that matter. (That's how the town got the alternate name "San Antone." from the English mangoing of Sankt Anton. It was not an anglicized version of San Antonio. ) The only "ethnic clensign of Texas soil came after 1900 when the Rangers pushed the Mexican land0wners out of the Valley at the behest of the Protestant midwestern American farmers who flooded the area and wanted the hidalgos out. The REAL Tex-Mex, whose grandfathers had been in the Valley forever, have a right to regard the Rangers with fear and disgust. Their depredations in the Valley led to areakup of the old Rangers and their reestablishment as a state police unit.

[YHAOS]

"After some reasearch, my surmise is that Arizona and New Mexico were no different."

Recollection seems to bring to mind that New Mexico never enjoyed a very effective government, and had been completely abandoned (by its government, not its population) by 1843 ('44?), but that some semblence, albeit a feeble one, of a government was retained in Arizona.

Correct me where I'm wrong.

[B4Ranch]

Is anyone wondering just how the Hispanics feel towards the Bush Administration? Take a look at the last three lines down on the right hand side of this poster for the "March for Immigrant Rights" coming this Monday.

Yes, it does say, "The World Can't Wait - Drive Out The Bush Regime" doesn't it?

http://www.sanantoniolightning.com/immigrantbig.jpg

Is anyone still thinking that we should have Open Borders? Can anyone explain to me why Bush is supporting a group that hates him?

Watch a video about these fine people and see if we want them in America. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1610000/posts

[YHAOS]

"Texans will never give up Texas."

Texans won't have to. Constitutionally, the borders of any state cannot be changed or eliminated without the consent of that state's legislature and without the consent of Congress (Article IV, Section 3). California; Arizona; New Mexico; Oregon; Utah; Nevada; Colorado; Oklahoma; Kansas; Louisiana; Mississippi; Alabama; Florida; take note.

Of course a Supreme Court composed of a majority of America-haters could very well rule that that prohibition would not apply when the state is being given up to a foreign power rather than being formed into one or more other states within the US (Supreme Court followers; YOU take note). [grin]

[sinkspur]

Yes, it does say, "The World Can't Wait - Drive Out The Bush Regime" doesn't it?

Why do you want me to read this?

I've read similar sentiments from THREE of those who are anti-immigrant in the last two hours right here on this forum.

"Impeach Bush" rabble-rousing is common among malcontents, anti-war types, and drunks who post on websites late on Saturday night.

[Smartass]

When the smoke clears, I believe exposed will be among a few, the communist party U.S.A. La Raza, Mecha, and Azlan behind this foolishness. They want to measure the direction of the wind strength for a takeover of the Southwest.

Credit this map to FReeper Potlatch...

[hispanarepublicana]

In fact, the Spanish-speaking inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER considered themselves "Mexicans" at all, ever. They went, in their own eyes, from SPANISH directly to AMERICAN.

This is a very good piece. Just a minor tweak--LOL--"...went, in their own eyes, from SPANISH directly to TEXAN to AMERICAN.

[B4Ranch]

What are you uncontent about? Have another drink it'll be ok in the morning.

[I'm ALL Right!]

...only a fraction of citizens are willing to fight for anything and among those that are no one wants to go first

Sadly, that's so true.

[sinkspur]

What are you uncontent about?

Nothing. I'm having a great ole time reading all the hysteria on this thread.

I can just envision a bunch of guys, with their camouflage and eye paint at the ready, chomping at the bit to play militia.

I really wonder if some of you have not lost your minds.

[Cvengr]

More importantly, simply refer to the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which concluded the Mexican American War and later the Gadsen Purchase, which further clarified all claims.

Internationally, all disputes regarding the border and ownership of those lands were settled between the nations of Mexico and the US with the Treaty, ratified by both governments. Later, when some visceral interests arose concerning the Rio Grande and valleys where some Mexicans had received grants of land from Spanish-later Mexican forms of real property ownership, the US paid handsomely to become the final national arbitor of those private ownerships. Additionally, whereas the Mexican government only recognized land grants to settlers, the US government gave private property ownership deeds and title of those lands to their occupants who previously only had grants.

The point to strss is that the exact same issues being discussed today, were more directly discussed, fought over, settled and resolved by national entities of that day, who were much closer to any original conflict of material interests than those discussing them today.

Additionally, if one were to promote an indirect cause that allows a visceral perception of ownership today from centuries ago, it is much closer associated with the Mexican form of personal property laws than US federal and state laws in the region. If one wants to protest, protest Mexican land grants instead of Title deeds and property ownership in the US.