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Live Thread - Senate vote on the immigration bill today?
C-span 2 ^ | April 7, 2006

Posted on 04/07/2006 7:17:28 AM PDT by Mo1

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To: BlueStateDepression

LOL - here is the proposed RULE OF LAW that I believe in:

"Illegal immigrants who have lived in the United States for five years or more, about seven million people, would eventually be granted citizenship if they remained employed, had background checks, paid fines and back taxes and learned English. Illegal immigrants who have lived here for two to five years, about three million people, would have to travel to a United States border crossing and apply for a temporary work visa. They would be eligible for permanent residency and citizenship over time, but they would have to wait several years longer for it. Illegal immigrants who have been here less than two years, about one million people, would be required to leave the country altogether. They could apply for spots in the temporary worker program, but they would not be guaranteed positions."


241 posted on 04/07/2006 11:00:07 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
>>>>>NO BORDER IS 100% SECURE! I am fine with increasing the percentage it is secure, but not with wasting all our effort to make it 99% secure. And, I am obviously part of that 17% of Freepers (on this and on the Dubai ports deal too, I will note). Doesn't both me one bit. I thought it was always our mantra to do what is right, not what the polls say.

We've been here already. ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN KNOWS THAT NO BORDER CAN BE 100% SECURED. I said stopping 95% of illegals is better then what we have today. That would be roughly 33%. Huge difference.

Doing whats right is passing conservative policies into law. Supporting and promoting liberal policies is deadwrong.

Btw, this idea that polls are meaningless, is fabrication of the status quo that dwells in FReeperland. While a single poll by itself doesn't carry much weight, paying attention to overall polling trends is something worthwhile and action that is relevent to politics. You can believe that Bush, Cheney, Rove and others in the Executive Branch are paying attention to the polls. You can bank on it!

242 posted on 04/07/2006 11:01:40 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: P-40

Which is why I'd much rather spend the money being proposed for a wall, that said plane will just fly over, for identifying and catching (or killing) actual terrorists.


243 posted on 04/07/2006 11:03:20 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

Yes clawrence that is rewarding illegal behavior. Funny thing is you call it law and it is nothing of the kind. You really do no understand that do you.

The law noe says a judge is to decide and deport. You do NOT belive in that do you?!


244 posted on 04/07/2006 11:04:50 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: Reagan Man

ONe poll really matters...the one in "writing" on voting day. Politicians better think about that.


245 posted on 04/07/2006 11:05:49 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: BlueStateDepression

Actually, the "proposed" law (that's what I called it) still allows for that but changes the appointment procedure for immigration judges.


246 posted on 04/07/2006 11:10:40 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
Which is why I'd much rather spend the money being proposed for a wall

When I lived on the border I could wade across the Rio Grande. Mexicans could do the same. Yet we did not have such a problem with illegal immigration because there was not much incentive to come here beyond a short-term gig to make some cash. For them there was no education, no welfare, no health care, no EITC, etc. We got some cheap labor, they got some valuable cash. And a good time was had by all.
247 posted on 04/07/2006 11:13:19 AM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: Reagan Man; clawrence3
The criminalization of charity work should be made a misdemeanor.

Only you RM could consider charity work "criminal".

248 posted on 04/07/2006 11:13:26 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: clawrence3

So then you are saying that the only way you will accept rhe rule of law,or proposed law, is when you agree with it?

Are you saying you reject current law or do you accept it?


249 posted on 04/07/2006 11:14:39 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: clawrence3
>>>>"Illegal immigrants who have lived in the United States for five years or more, about seven million people, would eventually be granted citizenship if they remained employed, had background checks, paid fines and back taxes and learned English. Illegal immigrants who have lived here for two to five years, about three million people, would have to travel to a United States border crossing and apply for a temporary work visa. They would be eligible for permanent residency and citizenship over time, but they would have to wait several years longer for it. Illegal immigrants who have been here less than two years, about one million people, would be required to leave the country altogether. They could apply for spots in the temporary worker program, but they would not be guaranteed positions."

That is what you support. Okay. Then you support liberal immigration policy. Period.

YOU SUPPORT AMNESTY!

250 posted on 04/07/2006 11:15:07 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: clawrence3; Mo1; Bikers4Bush; Reagan Man; P-40
I'd rather spend $80 billion catching 1000 terrorists than 1.

Fact is, that spending that money doesn't guarantee that you will catch one terrorist.

Your argument is so stupid as to be beyond belief.
You are actually telling us that we cannot secure the border, and catch terrorists elsewhere at the same.

That this money will miraculously end up by catching Osama and others, if we only let in these poor wonderful lawbreakers.

Of course, according to your logic, we had best all do nothing about terrorism either, because spending 80 billion dollars does not guarantee that we will catch 100% of the ragheads.

You are pushing a fools argument on people who know better, desperately trying to prevent them from doing anything, because, according to you, it cannot be done.

Like a deer caught in the headlights of an onrushing car, you would have us freeze and do nothing.

You can take that fallacious argument and put it in your burrito.

We know exactly what you want, and we know that you are lying about your motives.

and that is an insult to our collective intellect.

251 posted on 04/07/2006 11:15:17 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Reagan Man

Oh, I pay attention to polls, and more importantly actual voting stats - I just don't base doing what is right on said polls - what is RIGHT is recognizing that terrorists coming over LEGALLY is a much greater risk than ILLEGALLY.


252 posted on 04/07/2006 11:16:03 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Dane
>>>>Only you RM could consider charity work "criminal".

I consider breaking the law "criminal". Bozo!

253 posted on 04/07/2006 11:16:41 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Dane

If charity crosses the line into illegal behavior then accept it as it is. ILLEGAL.
Aiding and abetting a criminal does not become a moot point simply because it is deemed religious or even humanitarian.

Unless of course you put religion above the law, is that what you are saying Dane?

We capture terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan that are injured. Indeed we provide humanitarian medical care and even provide religious items to them...BUT WE DO NOT JUST LET THEM GO!


254 posted on 04/07/2006 11:17:20 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: clawrence3

They become illegal when they overstay their visas right?


255 posted on 04/07/2006 11:18:32 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: Reagan Man
I consider breaking the law "criminal". Bozo!

And yeah you wish to make charity work by Churches a criminal offense.

You guys are making stalin proud, IMO.

256 posted on 04/07/2006 11:18:37 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: bill1952; Reagan Man

I am not lying about anything - even ReaganMan agrees that no border is 100% secure - he thinks it is 33% secure right now. I happy looking at ways to increase that to 66%. I just think it is a waste of money to take it all the way to 99%.


257 posted on 04/07/2006 11:18:42 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: BlueStateDepression

I believe so.


258 posted on 04/07/2006 11:19:02 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Dane

Dane the act is what it is. Aiding a criminal is illegal. Crossing the border without permission is a criminal act.

You are a spin meister dane.


259 posted on 04/07/2006 11:19:49 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: BlueStateDepression
We capture terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan that are injured. Indeed we provide humanitarian medical care and even provide religious items to them...BUT WE DO NOT JUST LET THEM GO!

Gotcha, a vegetable picker=terrorist to you.

260 posted on 04/07/2006 11:20:23 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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