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Blue-collar envy: Skilled trades appeal to underemployed Ph.D.
Computerworld ^ | APRIL 04, 2006 | Elva Angelique Van Devender

Posted on 04/04/2006 9:58:28 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

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To: stainlessbanner

Credentials do not guarantee a good job. Work ethic and the desire to be successful does in my opinion. The but I am above those people and should make more crowd may have not put the effort into their job that the seemingly lower blue collar worker did.


21 posted on 04/04/2006 10:19:37 AM PDT by NTW64
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To: newcthem

I believe that college can waste someones time and money if they are not focused on a worthwhile practical goal.

There is an education industry in this country that feeds itself. It is way too expensive, way too much nonsense taught having nothing to do with what someone needs to know for their career, and I dont even have to explain the political bias we all know.







22 posted on 04/04/2006 10:20:01 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: oceanview

I've been through similar; my whole life growing up everyone said go into science and you'll have a wonderful career... but the truth is that the US employment base is not focused on technology development or science for profit, it is focused on services... There aren't enough careers for all these scientists, the best bet is to look for the number one employers-- the federal government or academia... for those who detest socialism in all it's forms, this makes for tough choices. She could try to start her own business, but since her education didn't prepare her for that it may not be as easy as it sounds. I do wish our education system counselled students on the reality, rather than what they think is best for society. My best friend (PhD ten years, over a hundred scientific publications in molecular biology, brilliant man and EXTREMEMLY hard working) just turned forty two and has never made over $38,000 a year... reminds me of Germany before the war... the train conductors and factory workers made 4 to 5 times as much as PhD's, which led to a new kind of socialism for the educated class; the "betters" to oversee the "workers"-- you and I know it as National Socialism... my point being a disaffected professional class and/or middle class historically has led to ruinous forms of government.


23 posted on 04/04/2006 10:21:01 AM PDT by LambSlave (The truth will set you free)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

On this one you're wrong. There is a large demand for Pharmacists and it's expected to get worse.


24 posted on 04/04/2006 10:22:15 AM PDT by OregonRancher (illigitimus non carborundum)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Even that route takes a lot of patience and a ton of luck to land a job like that in the first place. I have a PhD in finance and a CFA. I know a lady with an MBA, domestic and international experience, and she speaks fluent Japanese. We've both sent out 200-300 resumes on a nationwide job hunt and have been looking for jobs for 5 months.

The key statement (IMO) in the article is:

" But often it seems as if the job market isn't able to absorb all the advanced-degree holders at the pace colleges and universities are churning them out"

The fact is that the US is cranking out way too many PhDs. The demand's just not there. A few departments know this and take students every other year, but most just rake in the $$ from the state/fed govt and save a TON of money getting teachers on the cheap.

25 posted on 04/04/2006 10:22:42 AM PDT by tamu
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To: A. Pole

You'd like this one A.Pole.


26 posted on 04/04/2006 10:22:45 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: oceanview
sure, retrain a tech PhD to be a roofer or a plumber.

If nobody wants to pay you to do what you're trained for, you should probably look into doing something else.

27 posted on 04/04/2006 10:25:49 AM PDT by cryptical (Who you tryin' to get crazy with ese? Don't you know I'm loco?)
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To: sageb1

Bingo! Diversification.


28 posted on 04/04/2006 10:26:30 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: oceanview
and the free traders come on and say "oh, just retrain". sure, retrain a tech PhD to be a roofer or a plumber.

I have a degree in Medieval History and am academically qualified for only one possible career in the United States - teaching Medieval History.

But I retrained myself on my own for the real job market and I'm doing quite well.

This woman's whining is pathetic. If you have a working brain you can get a good job in the US. Unless you're lazy.

29 posted on 04/04/2006 10:27:34 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Mr. Jeeves

An overspecialized education is a guarantee of perpetual employment woes. Her problem is that she probably does not want to go to work for a petrochem co or a defense contractor where her chemistry degree would have wider application. I have worked with guys with a Phd in nuclear physics who had specialized in weapons making, but decided that there was more of a future in power plants. The same with guys who had graduate degrees in Chemical Engineering working in the power industry.


30 posted on 04/04/2006 10:28:15 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: dhs12345
"Bingo! Diversification."

Either that or a matter of him not knowing what he wanted to be when he grew up. :)

31 posted on 04/04/2006 10:28:29 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

Your has a lot of talent, what gets me is if someone cannot secure and hold a job as a chemist what makes them think they can be a plumber, carpenter or a mason?


32 posted on 04/04/2006 10:30:44 AM PDT by NTW64
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To: Mr. Jeeves
"An PhD (or even an MS) in computer science or mathematics and a few years of developing derivative software algorithms for an investment firm in New York would have paid off much better, for someone with her brainpower."

I disagree. If you look at the consolidation in the software industry and outsourcing to India you will find that that is not such a good choice. I as employed for over 12 years in that industry and got downsized. I am still in high tech but at a much lower rate and yes work part time at Home Depot to make ends meet.
33 posted on 04/04/2006 10:31:14 AM PDT by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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To: pgkdan
Davy Crockett's last words at the Alamo:

"Holy smoke, where did all those roofers come from?"

34 posted on 04/04/2006 10:32:26 AM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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To: OregonRancher
On this one you're wrong. There is a large demand for Pharmacists and it's expected to get worse.

We are discussing what she should have done in the first place, not what she should do now. If you can put up with living in New York or London for a while, the demand for big-brained people is considerable: Quantitative Analytics jobs

35 posted on 04/04/2006 10:34:34 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: NTW64

Yes, my son is fortunate to be talented in many areas, but I understand what you're saying. There needs to be a much higher regard for those careers without which this country would fall apart.


36 posted on 04/04/2006 10:36:05 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: wideawake
"If you have a working brain you can get a good job in the US. Unless you're lazy."

And there you go. I'm a freelance softare engineer, successfully and gainfully self-employed, working on custom software projects for a large corporation out of the comfort of my own home.

And all the "creds" I have are a high school diploma. With a little bit of talent, some luck, lots of self-training and a larger amount of personal initiative, there is plenty of opportunity out there.

37 posted on 04/04/2006 10:36:12 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: NTW64

I gather you don't believe in punctuation. Your comment was a bit difficult to follow -- but I got it -- after two or three reads.


38 posted on 04/04/2006 10:43:40 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

Good, you get an A for effort.


39 posted on 04/04/2006 10:44:55 AM PDT by NTW64
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To: Names Ash Housewares
I believe that college can waste someones time and money if they are not focused on a worthwhile practical goal.

This really makes me wonder about this person's decision to get a PhD, which shouldn't be a degree you just blindly pursue. With such an advanced degree in chemistry, you'd better be in parts of the country that value it--pharmaceuticals on the East Coast, the defense industry, West Coast R&D, etc.

There are places in this country where her degree is valued, but she can't just show up in Anytown, USA, wave her sheepskin, and expect to be hired.

Even still, I would expect that with a little resourcefulness, she could live just about anywhere, and write, or consult with other companies and projects.

40 posted on 04/04/2006 10:45:42 AM PDT by Lou L
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