Posted on 04/01/2006 1:01:10 AM PST by neverdem
"I said that it happens, I didn't say that I condone the practice. You seem to be having a difficult time grasping that concept."
I'm not having a difficult time at all.
The implication of your post was that this was your experience, not the experience of others in the profession. Next time you should make that more clear.
"'It's working at a 95 percent efficacy rate, which is darn good,' Ms. Quinlisk said of the vaccine"
I was responding to the fact that she said "it's working at a 95% rate", implying that it is working at that rate in Iowa, whereas it's not really working at 95% in Iowa.
"it could be that the strain currently infecting these people mutated and is thus different than the Jeralyn strain in the vaccine"
It most likely is. That's why it's not having the desired effect.
Let me tell you my family story.
I stopped breathing the day after my DPT shot.
My one cousin started developing holes in his brain when he around 18 months old. They took him all over the country for treatment. No one could tell them the reason or a way to stop it. They found out 12 years later it was caused by a bad batch of the DPT shot. He is left severely brain damaged.
My other cousin has autism. He started having seizures with 104.5 fever that night, and was rushed to the hospital. He was released the next day. They said he was fine. He stopped learning to talk or make eye contact from that point on.
My sister was told they now make a DTaP shot that is much safer and they never had a reaction to it. Her daughter screamed for hours after the shot, until she stopped breathing that night. The doctor told her it probably was a sleep apnea, and had nothing to do with the shot. Luckily she survived.
Needless to say, I do not vaccinate my children.
BTW, they have never been sick. I mean never. No ear infections, cough, cold, fever. I really think those vaccinations kill their immune system, because my friends kids seem to be sick every month.
I think people in the medical field don't want to see the link to Autism, because the research is already been done. You just don't want to believe it.
It seems unless a child drops dead in the doctors office the second the shot is given, they will never admit to an adverse reaction.
Autism Rates Drop After Mercury Removed From Childhood Vaccines
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=38784
No ear infections, cough, cold, fever.
The only vaccine currently given to infants that would prevent any of these would be the Prevnar, which was to prevent ear infections caused by Pneumococcus. However, it only covers several strains, and Pneumococcus isn't the only organism that causes ear infections. Cough, cold, fever-I assume you mean viral respiratory infections? There is no vaccine given to children that prevents colds (other than Synagis, which is an immunoglobulin that injects antibodies against RSV; this is only given to high risk patients, and does not stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies). The advantage of Prevnar is that it also prevents pneumonia, meningitis, and sepsis from Pneumococcus. We very rarely do spinal taps anymore on infants with fever; before the vaccine, we did many more.
I really think those vaccinations kill their immune system, because my friends kids seem to be sick every month.
That's a very silly statement that has no scientific basis. I'll believe it if you can show me the research. Otherwise, I've never heard of a vaccine "killing" an immune system
Autism Rates Drop After Mercury Removed From Childhood Vaccines
Ahh, the Geiers (aka the "dumpster divers" of autism research). quack quack.
That is pretty much the response I expected.
I was not saying there was a vaccine for colds, My point was, that if you keep shooting up babies with toxins every couple months, it will kill their immune system.
Is there scientific proof that mercury is poison?
It does not take a lot of scientific research or knowledge to figure out you shouldn't shoot kids up with mercury. That is just common sense. However, common sense seems to be lacking in the medical community.
You said that you have worked for pediatricians for 17 years. They just started removing the mercury the last few years.
How many people did you reassure that the shots were safe when they were loaded in mercury?
I would not want to believe the research either if I were you, because it would make you and the doctors responsible for their damage children. Wouldn't it?
I still don't get your premise of "killing" the immune system. Your body's immune system is literally bombarded with hundreds, if not thousands, of pathogenic organisms on a daily basis. What makes you think that the immune system is going to be "killed" (whatever that means) by several injected antigens?
Is there scientific proof that mercury is poison?
Of course it is, at certain levels. Just as Vitamin A is a potential poison, any drug is a potential poison, etc.
How many people did you reassure that the shots were safe when they were loaded in mercury?
Many. And proud of it. Because I know that the vaccines that were given happened to save lives and prevent devastating diseases. In fact, I just got one of those vaccines that is "loaded" with Thimerosal (adult flu vaccine), and I'm not dead yet. The last tetanus shot I got had Thimerosal in it, and that didn't even do me in.
I would not want to believe the research either if I were you, because it would make you and the doctors responsible for their damage children. Wouldn't it?
There is no conclusive evidence that Thimerosal is harmful. I think it's fine that they removed it, but if they didn't, I would still have no problem with my son getting a vaccine with it in.
It does not take a lot of scientific research or knowledge to figure out you shouldn't shoot kids up with mercury. That is just common sense. However, common sense seems to be lacking in the medical community.
Wow, you sure have a BIG chip on your shoulder. If you were to have a heart attack, would you seek assistance from the medical community that has no common sense? Or would you just stay at home and die?
Will I stay home and die if I had a heart attack? Who is being silly now?
Mercury poisoning is the ill effects on humans nervous system and other bodily systems due to the over-exposure of mercury. Mercury is a neurotoxin, meaning it affects the nervous system. The "mad hatters" of the 19th century suffered from mercury poisoning which caused personality changes, nervousness, trembling, and even dementia. The hatters were exposed to mercury in the felting process, where mercury was rubbed onto cloth to preserve it.
Do the symptoms sound familiar?
How about Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, MS, and a ton of other autoimmune system disorders. Why risk it? They can make vaccines without mercury. They continue to put it in to save money. That is unacceptable to me.
BTW, I would not want to overdose on vitamin A either.
They told me when I was pregnant to not eat to much fish or tuna fish because of the mercury in it. Instead, lets just wait until the baby is born, and load it with as much mercury as we can. Like I said......common sense.
>"I heard today that the MMR is 95% effective. So yes, it >is possible that the outbreak is in those that are in the >5%."
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>The article said that 66% of those infected had had two >shots. That's nowhere close to 95%.
You all are flipping your statistics.
It could very well be that of the population that were vaccinated (in Iowa), only 5% have been infected.
The 66/80% refers to the percentage of those who are [b]infected[/b] who were vaccinated NOT the percentage of the total population who has become infected (which could be less than 5%).
IOW- most of the people who have been vaccinated are NOT getting sick; but of those who are getting sick, most have been vaccinated.
No vaccine is 100% effective. When an outbreak occurs, it would be expected that some vaccinated people would be infected. Since most people are vaccinated, it should follow that most infected people will have been vaccinated.
To show that the vaccine is ineffective you would need to compare the % of unvaccinated population who are infected to the % of vaccinated population who are infected.
Tara P
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