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Bush Pushes Congress to OK Immigrants
AP on Yahoo ^ | 3/30/06 | Nedra Pickler - ap

Posted on 03/30/2006 6:00:20 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: navysealdad
President Bush "And so I'd like to tell the American people we are a nation of law, but that doesn't preclude us from being a welcoming nation. I think a system which forces people underground and into the shadows of our society, which causes people to have to sneak across our border and risk their life, is a system that needs to be changed. " OK, so we are the problem.. we cause people to sneak across the border. LOOK.. The system that is broke is the system in Mexico!!

You're so right, but this country is breaking FAST!

101 posted on 03/30/2006 6:36:06 PM PST by beyond the sea (Claire De Lune - ........ 1862)
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To: Owen

"He's made a solid contribution.
"


So did Timmy McVeigh, a bronze star recipient. Criminal acts are criminal acts.


102 posted on 03/30/2006 6:37:26 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: Supernatural
It would appear that we have lost the war without even ever having fought a battle.

Seems that way. I'm just glad I don't live down near Mexico.

103 posted on 03/30/2006 6:37:39 PM PST by beyond the sea (Claire De Lune - ........ 1862)
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To: org.whodat

Well, I think a "brain fart" is just a little short of a POTUS who is an "arrogant psychopath who deems himself King, Lord, and Master" ; )


104 posted on 03/30/2006 6:37:47 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: beyond the sea

"Mexico has no middle class"

And soon the U.S. will have no middle class either.

That is the whole point of letting the illegals come into this country.

To destroy the middle class.

But many won't get it until it is too late (or, its already too late).


105 posted on 03/30/2006 6:38:35 PM PST by Supernatural (A 1,000 lies can be told, but the truth is still the truth.)
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To: clawrence3
"Yeah - a little over the top, don't you think? How many of these people against Bush actually voted for him, I wonder?"

I voted for President Bush in 2000, but was disappointed in his job performance enough by 2004 that I wrote in David A. Keene. Ergo, don't blame me for this mess; I voted for a conservative. :-)
106 posted on 03/30/2006 6:38:57 PM PST by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: CodeToad

Would the following be better: "do jobs that Americans won't do for that wage"?


107 posted on 03/30/2006 6:39:18 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: CodeToad

There are statute of limitations on some criminal acts, sir.


108 posted on 03/30/2006 6:39:59 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: beyond the sea
There will be too many people in the country reliant on the government.

Start learning, no not Mexican, not Arabic, but French! That's the situation there. Change c'est impossible. Theodore Darlymple has an essay on the situation there at City-Journal.com (I think he lives in France.)

109 posted on 03/30/2006 6:40:11 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: NormsRevenge
One thing which bothers me is how many people who rightly fight illegal immigration are perfectly ok with the huge number of legal immigrants we allow in this country.

We are no longer a vast unpopulated country. There are 300 million people here and then numbers are increasing by a huge amount yearly. We are getting way too many people in this country. Before long we will be another India or China. We really will.

110 posted on 03/30/2006 6:40:20 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Owen
There Are Not Enough Working Age Americans To Do All The Work That Needs Doing.

There is in my state. So, is it okay with you if we evict the illegal aliens?

Sadly, it's the federal government's job, Bush's in particular. From the beginning he put out an informal welcome mat and now we are suffering an infusion of inchoate socialism and Cesar Chavez radicalism of unprecedented magnitiude.

This will not save the country. It will destroy it, rip it from stem to stern.

111 posted on 03/30/2006 6:40:23 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: NJ_gent

Makes sense.


112 posted on 03/30/2006 6:40:28 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: satan

With your help, from what we understand.


113 posted on 03/30/2006 6:40:31 PM PST by Pelham (Treason: Not just for Democrats anymore)
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To: clawrence3

""do jobs that Americans won't do for that wage"?"


Sure, but wasn't that the same argument used to keep slavery intact, that business would suffer?


114 posted on 03/30/2006 6:40:49 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: yarddog

There's quite a leap from 300 million to 1 BILLION, my friend. Let me guess: you have no problem with 40 million abortions are population control either?


115 posted on 03/30/2006 6:41:50 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: wardaddy

Agreed the best thing he did but it wasn't enough..


116 posted on 03/30/2006 6:42:17 PM PST by lawdog
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To: Aetius; ARCADIA; Supernatural
Good post. Bush has lost me on this issue. But, he's not the only one. This has been coming for decades.

I hear his father gave the neutron bomb plans to China years ago. How weird is that.

I guess when we all have the worst, most destructive weapons we all will not use them. Hmmm?

117 posted on 03/30/2006 6:42:21 PM PST by beyond the sea (Claire De Lune - ........ 1862)
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To: Jorge

but will that happen? this is the problem I have with the republican proponents of this - they never explain exactly how its going to work. sure, it would be better to "convert" these folks to be guest workers. but to do that - you have to first crack down hard on the US employers, they must be forced to hire from the guest worker pool, with tax payer IDs, etc. then, the US government has to do its job to conduct these background checks and actually operate a functioning guest worker program.

are those things going to happen?

you are right, we can't deport 12 million people at the point of a gun. but the correct incentives and properly administered programs, including the wall, need to be put in place to essentially cause them to "deport themselves" - and return as guest workers.


118 posted on 03/30/2006 6:43:34 PM PST by oceanview
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To: clawrence3

"There are statute of limitations on some criminal acts, sir."


Sure, but he is still here and still a criminal. If he has a job he is still committing the act. If he isn't paying proper taxes he is still committing criminal acts. If he ain;t legit he is still a criminal.


119 posted on 03/30/2006 6:43:55 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: All

The president has done a better job on the borders than his predecessors. His current plan starts out with the NUMBER ONE item border control. The media obsesses over items down as 3 or 4, which are fairly strict hoops for those already present to jump through.

The red meat crowd is falling for it, or being pushed by the FR stealth Democrat activists. Bush is doing a super job on this. What people are not realizing is that with solidly tight borders, as he proposes as number 1, then those present can't go home. When their mother dies, and they go to the funeral, they can't return.

The order of Bush's items in his plan very quietly do almost all of what is needed.

See other comments on the scarcity of working age Americans. The US has to have immigrants. It's not "Illegals do the work Americans won't." That's false. The correct phrasing is "Carefully documented immigrants will do the work that needs doing and there are no Americans of working age available to do it."


120 posted on 03/30/2006 6:44:51 PM PST by Owen
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