Getting beyond name-calling--Liberal Jews vs liberal Christians

Jerusalem Post ^ | 3-29-06 | DAVID J. FORMAN

[SJackson]

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You could simply recognize that under the liberal platitudes, they don't like you one bit.

[rhombus]

...we must recognize that when Scuds fell and suicide bombings were going off, it was these very Evangelicals who flocked to Israel to show their solidarity with the Jewish state. Such commitment lends both credibility and authority to their positions - an essential ingredient lacking in the liberal Christian community, putting into question its commitment to the existence of a Jewish state in its historical homeland.

Well said.

[Alexander Rubin]

Oh no! Cracks in the wall of liberal 'solidarity'! Quick, someone call George Bush a fascist, or hope for another American soldier's death in Iraq!

Looks like some of the liberal leaders are realizing that some Jews are waking up, and realizing that the left are not their friends. Just trying to do something before they explore the offer of friendship from the Jewish and Christian right.

[betsyross1776]

It is a shame that they don't get it. The left screams nazis but says yes to the enemy by trying to sing cumba ya. The left forgot the Hollicaust or says it was not that bad. The left is selling Israel out and saying keep giving that mouse a cookie and it won't want a glass of milk. They leave the west bank to signs, today this tommorrow the rest of Israel. But what makes me mad, when they go over board over there who has to step in the USA. Isn't the middle east big enough that they have to cut up the size of Rode Island. The truth is it is nothing between Israel and the sea.

[hinckley buzzard]

an essential ingredient lacking in the liberal Christian community, putting into question its commitment to the existence of a Jewish state in its historical homeland.

Duh. Sorry, but your "liberal protestant friends" don't give a fig whether you live, or die like a dog. Did you think that just because you agree on the right to kill babies, that they would support your fight for survival? That makes no sense. If they are happy to kill their own children, why should they break a sweat over what happens to yours? Fools.

[Convert from ECUSA]

"Oh no! Cracks in the wall of liberal 'solidarity'! Quick, someone call George Bush a fascist, or hope for another American soldier's death in Iraq!"

Ain't it the truth!

[Presbyterian Reporter]

It seems the left wants it both ways. They want to further their secular/humanist agenda while at the same time appear supportive of Israel. It seems the liberal Jew is at the proverbial fork in the road where there need to reassess their liberal political history.

Yes, the Christian Right fully supports Israel. Now it is time for the liberal Jews to return to their Judiac conservative values and adopt values like the Christian Right.

[ariamne]

Time for liberal Jews to wake up. The left has aligned itself with radical islam and has crossed the line between "anti-zionism" and anti-semitism. Our future is on the right.

[avile]

Most Jewish libs are libs first and foremost and have little to do wth Judaism-except when they write to the NYT stating" as aconcerned Jew I find Israel's actionsapalling etc..."
Jewishlibs define the termJINO, unfortuately many gentiles stereotype Jews as these clowns.

[Alouette]

David Forman is the shmuck from "Rabbis for Human Rights" who urged his Palestinian comrades to make fake complaints against Jews for committing "olive tree massacre."

Now all his liberal CINO comrades are pissing on his head and he thinks it's just a spring rain.

[SJackson]

It's just a little misunderstanding, that's all.

[ariamne]

Good point! Liberal jews acknowledge their heritage when it is expedient for them. But as a former liberal, I continue to hold out hope that JINOS will wake up to their fate if they stay on the current path.

[bmwcyle]

Liberal write fiction but they never have mastered truth.

[strategofr]

"Looks like some of the liberal leaders are realizing that some Jews are waking up, and realizing that the left are not their friends. Just trying to do something before they explore the offer of friendship from the Jewish and Christian right."

I'm Jewish and I didn't get that from the article at all. What liberal Jews are doing, and what this article reflects, is continuing to do "whatever it takes" to remain part of the Left. This is hard for liberal Jews to do now because being part of the Left is coming to mean: 1) being anti-semitic and 2) openly supporting the complete destruction of Israel.

Accepting these two principles is difficult for liberal Jews---but they are slowly making progress in this area!

[Alexander Rubin]

Hehe. I'm also Jewish, but, I see this a little bit more optimistically than you. At least in this circumstance.

[Alexander Rubin]

"Yes, the Christian Right fully supports Israel. Now it is time for the liberal Jews to return to their Judiac conservative values and adopt values like the Christian Right."

Amen to that. However, it seems that all that's gonna happen is what's happened in the Christian protestant movement. A polarization: some Jews will move towards Orthodoxy, and others towards secularism. *sighs*

[colorado tanker]

They're wasting their ink. To liberal Protestants, Israel is now a wealthy, capitalist and militarily powerful state, meaning only one thing: an oppressor. The Palis are therefore the oppressed, victims. Worse, the overtly Jewish nature of the Israeli state offends people who are dedicated secularists, Christian in name only, not in belief. The final affront is that George W. Bush supports Israel and Sharon got on well with Bush.

No teaching of the history and facts, no amount of logic, no pointing out of self-interest, no appeal to past alliances and victories, will erase these crimes beyond the pale to liberal Protestants.

[Jim Noble]

How do we Jewish liberals maintain our partnership with liberal Protestants on social/religious issues and, at the same time, reject their criticism of Israel, which often lacks any balance? Concomitantly, how do we avoid going over to the "other side," making common cause with Evangelicals on matters related to Israel, when on so many other issues we hold antithetical positions?

Stuck on stupid.

Wise the f*** up!

[strategofr]

"Hehe. I'm also Jewish, but, I see this a little bit more optimistically than you. At least in this circumstance."

Hopefully, you are right and I'm wrong. Over the past four presidential campaigns the number of Jews voting Republican has risen from 11% to 24%. This is a pretty good trend, but some Jews I talk to feel that we have "topped out". I have the feeling we have gotten a good percentage of the Orthodox, and that is about as far as it goes.