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Religious Conservatives Slam 'Gay Agenda,' ACLU
CNSNews.com ^ | March 28 2006 | Randy Hall

Posted on 03/28/2006 9:15:39 AM PST by Reagan Man

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To: nmh; All
Did anyone see this guy on O'Reilly last night? Just wondering. I don't really know anything about the group. Battle Cry Sorry for the double-post. I forgot to address to "all."
61 posted on 03/28/2006 10:24:51 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1
"It's because there aren't three wise men and a virgin in the entire ACLU."

Lol! You gotta love Donohue!

He's great. Too funny.

62 posted on 03/28/2006 10:24:56 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: sageb1
I normally don't watch O'Reilly but I did see that guy. He's a U.S. citizen. He claims we SHOULD provide health care and education to who ever wants to become part of the "fabric" of our country. He's a fast talking leftist that possess no logic.
63 posted on 03/28/2006 10:25:06 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: sasafras

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IS IT OK, FOR A FATHER TO HAVE A SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS 18 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER (THAT IS CONSIDERED AN ADULT)?"

OK, fourth and last time.

OK? No, not in my opinion, its a sin.
Legal? Yes, if the don't get married.
Marriage? No way -not legal and that is a good thing.


64 posted on 03/28/2006 10:25:21 AM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: gondramB
Efforts to stop homosexuals from forming domestic partnerships, to have equal rights or to be forced to hide who they are run counter to good strategy and counter to American principles.

Equal rights yes, special rights no.

But they do have equal rights! A homosexual has exactly the same rights as a heterosexual. A homosexual may marry one person of the opposite sex and enjoy every opportunity that anyone else enjoys.

See, the truth is that homosexuals want to change the consequences of their own decisions. It's like complaining that the fact that robbing banks will get you arrested, while those who don't rob banks are able to remain free is discriminatory and unfair. In both cases, it is the consequences of their own choices, consequences of which they are perfectly aware, against which they rebel!

The same argument could be made by those who want to be married to a child, seven women, or a car. When our law refuses to recognize or condone those "marriages", it is likewise not discrimination.

65 posted on 03/28/2006 10:26:32 AM PST by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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To: Potowmack

Whoops one little error - last word - instead of "you" should have been "them".

" I do not think consensual sexual relationships between a father and his adult daughter should be illegal. "

Well then you are either a member of the United Church of Christ or you could become one. Satanism would also be a very good choice as well. This is how they think you will be welcomed with open arms.

Side note it is obvious that you are also an anarchist. Apparantly all behavior among consenting adults is ok with you. The hidden little secret that you dont get (you probably dont have kids or were absent in their rearing) is that all this behavior affects them. If it affects them then it will affect our society. No rules, no constraints no limits. Everything is ok as long as it makes you feel good. Dont expect a functioning society for very long - radical islam looks for societies like this that have instituted PC intolerant tolerance - because they know that you would never restrict their ability to persecute them.


66 posted on 03/28/2006 10:28:21 AM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: TChris

TCris, I agree with you. I oppose legalizing homsexual marriage.

Oh well, off to work, I've delayed as long as possible.


67 posted on 03/28/2006 10:28:34 AM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: in hoc signo vinces

If homosexuality were based in reason and was an easy sell the ACLU's coercion project would be unnecessary. Considering that it is not,they need jackbooted thuggish lawyahs to force homosexuality upon America.

If love is all that matters, maybe consensual incest should be made acceptable. What's next the fight against "incestophobia"? (sarcasm)


68 posted on 03/28/2006 10:28:50 AM PST by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: Gone GF

From the quote, it appears that divorce is out of the question, too.


69 posted on 03/28/2006 10:28:57 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: nmh
"He claims we SHOULD provide health care and education to who ever wants to become part of the "fabric" of our country. He's a fast talking leftist that possess no logic."

I missed hearing that.

70 posted on 03/28/2006 10:29:13 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: gondramB
I think the government has over stepped on drug laws but not where heroin is involved. Heroin use causes so much other crime that it constitutes a clear and present danger and is correctly regulated under the power granted by the general welfare clause.

Please correct me if I’m wrong. It appears that you do not object in principle to government regulation of private behavior between consenting adults. It seems that you think that the standard you propose for such regulation, or its absence, is simply better than that proposed by others. Is this a correct statement of your position?
71 posted on 03/28/2006 10:29:51 AM PST by Lucky Dog
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To: sasafras
Well then you are either a member of the United Church of Christ or you could become one. Satanism would also be a very good choice as well. This is how they think you will be welcomed with open arms.

I do not know if those groups are in favor of incest. I am not, however. I simply do not see the point of laws making such behavior between consenting adults illegal. I would certainly shun anyone in such a relationship, even if it was legal.

Side note it is obvious that you are also an anarchist.

I am not an anarchist. I have no idea where you got that idea.

Apparantly all behavior among consenting adults is ok with you.

More or less, with the caveat that it needs to be private.

The hidden little secret that you dont get (you probably dont have kids or were absent in their rearing) is that all this behavior affects them.

How does private behavior between consenting adults affect kids? If the behavior remains behind closed doors, how will kids even know about it?

No rules, no constraints no limits.

Please point to where I said that.

Everything is ok as long as it makes you feel good.

Please point to where I said that.

Dont expect a functioning society for very long -

I have no idea whether this is true or not, buit it is irrelevant since I have not proposed any such society. Please re-read my comments.

radical islam looks for societies like this that have instituted PC intolerant tolerance - because they know that you would never restrict their ability to persecute you.

I cannot parse this statement. What are you trying to say here?

72 posted on 03/28/2006 10:30:15 AM PST by Potowmack ("Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government")
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To: gondramB

We also don't want the kids to look like that banjo player in "Deliverance".


73 posted on 03/28/2006 10:31:51 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Reagan Man
Donohue said he has discovered why the ACLU files so many lawsuits to try and force communities to take down nativity scenes. "It's because there aren't three wise men and a virgin in the entire ACLU."

Not since Sleepy Ginsburg left. (Not a wise man, just untouched).

74 posted on 03/28/2006 10:31:58 AM PST by sportutegrl (People who say, "All I know is . . ." really mean, "All I want you to focus on is . . .")
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To: sageb1
If he's a leftist, then why the support from the religious right?
75 posted on 03/28/2006 10:32:25 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

He loves the word "fabric". It's a nice generic term that gently redefines ILLEGAL ALIEN.


76 posted on 03/28/2006 10:32:46 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: Lucky Dog
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Please correct me if I’m wrong. It appears that you do not object in principle to government regulation of private behavior between consenting adults"

No. I am saying it takes an overwhelming public interest to over ride privacy. For example I have a right to be secure and private in my home but with clear evidence that I'm using the home for criminal activity and a warrant (or a time sensitive emergency) the police can over ride that right to privacy.

Constitutional rights and powers sometimes come in conflict with each other... that's a big part of the supreme courts job.
77 posted on 03/28/2006 10:34:25 AM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: linda_22003

"We also don't want the kids to look like that banjo player in "Deliverance"."\

Absolutely. Best to all - off to work.


78 posted on 03/28/2006 10:35:04 AM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: ishabibble

I think you're making an unfounded generalization there. Even most dumb people know what Comedy Central is and means. The Democrats who fantasize about Daily Show/Colbert being real news are just that, fantasizing.


79 posted on 03/28/2006 10:37:23 AM PST by Terpfen (72-25: The Democrats mounted a failibuster!)
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To: gondramB

"OK? No, not in my opinion, its a sin." Well so is homosex
"Legal? Yes, if the don't get married." Im not sure that is the case. Depends
"Marriage? No way -not legal and that is a good thing." But according to you it is unAmerican to hide their desires. These are adults. Homos are no different right? They arent hurting anybody? Right?

Its obvious from your answers that you find it appalling that it could happen. But homos should be free to practice it. Dont you find it contradictory? If you can not judge one then you can not judge the other. My argument is that homosexuality is wrong and no different than the adult incestuous relationship (as even you suggest) because evethough each are adults they both lead to the breakdown of our society.

Govt can and does regulate morality. This is the take home message. May not be what you like but without it society would break down.


80 posted on 03/28/2006 10:39:24 AM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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