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Schiavos speak up about life after Terri (Barf Alert!)
SP Times ^ | March 28, 2006 | ANITA KUMAR

Posted on 03/28/2006 7:19:33 AM PST by NYer

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To: NYer

Hey Mike, there was another answer. It's called D-I-V-O-R-C-E. You will some day be called to account for yourself. I don't envy you.


21 posted on 03/28/2006 8:10:20 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: SmoothTalker; BlackElk

End-of-life choices are one thing. In Terri's case, defibrillation, intubation and the administration of drugs to keep her heart beating and lungs functioning would have been overdoing it; I'm not arguing that. However, food and water are fairly basic needs. No one should be dehydrated to death; no one. Assuming for the sake of arguement that she was permanently brain-damaged and there was no hope of recovery (and honestly, I don't know whether that was the case or not) she should not have had to go through the horror that is such a death. In death by dehydration, the skin becomes so dry that it literally will come off the body if you touch it firmly. The lining of the mouth and nose cracks and bleeds. The urine becomes so concentrated in toxicity that it literally burnse the bladder. The respiratory tract dries out, which means that the normal secretions become very thick, making it difficult to breath. The person dies because of a build-up of toxins, because they can't breathe (due to the thick secretions), because they go into shock or because their blood becomes so thick that it clots in their veins.
No one should go through that.


22 posted on 03/28/2006 8:19:08 AM PST by PalestrinaGal0317 (We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity-Ann Coulter)
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To: SmoothTalker
"She was a vegetable, had been a vegetable for a long time, and would always be a vegetable."

She was a human being.

Human beings never turn into 'vegetables' no matter their disability or human condition.

23 posted on 03/28/2006 8:19:38 AM PST by Boxsford
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To: SmoothTalker

If Terri was already gone, why did Michael sue for money to help rehabilitate her?????? Why didn't he just pull the plug and let her go, why sue for money?????


24 posted on 03/28/2006 8:21:07 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats....by Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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To: Boxsford
"Human beings never turn into 'vegetables' no matter their disability or human condition."

And you drop into using another of the ploys on this issue. She wasn't disabled. It wasn't like we were talking about someone in a wheel chair. She was brain-dead. Her body was alive, but Terri herself was dead and had been for a long time. Her soul had long since passed from her body and she was being kept alive by artificial means with no hope of ever waking up. I think everything in a doctor's power should be done to keep a patient alive but once someone is without any hope whatsoever we owe it to them to let them go. Certainly not to keep them in a vegetative state for more than a decade.
25 posted on 03/28/2006 8:23:37 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: SmoothTalker

I agree with you 100% with everything you said.


26 posted on 03/28/2006 8:28:43 AM PST by tob2 (I may not be perfect but I'm always me.)
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To: SmoothTalker

Food and water are artificial means? That was the only "life support" she was on aside from low doses of acetaminophen as found in her autopsy. As a matter of fact, her autopsy report reveals she had an advanced infection of the urinary tract yet she was not receiving any treatment for that painful condition.

She was not on a heart/lung bypass machine, she was not using any assistance of care in breating (no ventilator or trach tube) she was only being given food and water.

Now you may consider food and water to be "life support" however I realize without those two things life would NOT exist on this planet, for any person, animal, plant or organism.


27 posted on 03/28/2006 8:29:03 AM PST by Brytani
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To: Boxsford
"She was a human being.

Human beings never turn into 'vegetables' no matter their disability or human condition."

Well said!

28 posted on 03/28/2006 8:33:52 AM PST by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: SmoothTalker
"Terri Schiavo has just about the same awareness of the world around her as a philodendron."

Truly a disgusting, inhumane comment which makes it painfully clear that the likes of people like you and boortz think that only human beings that can contribute to society should be allowed to live. She deserved what any other handicapped individual unable to feed themselves and hydrate themselves deserve--food and water.

29 posted on 03/28/2006 8:34:47 AM PST by Boxsford
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To: Brytani

When someone is brain dead and has a zero percent chance of ever regaining consciousness I consider almost any means of keeping them alive to be artifical and unnatural.

"t she was not receiving any treatment for that painful condition. "

It isn't a painful condition if you have no consciousness.


30 posted on 03/28/2006 8:35:26 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: Boxsford; tob2

". She deserved what any other handicapped individual unable to feed themselves and hydrate themselves deserve--food and water."

You are using very deceitful rhetoric. She was not handicapped. It wasn't like she was autistic or in a wheel chair. She was brain-dead with a zero percent chance of ever waking up or regaining consciousness. That is a HUGE difference and i'm sure handicapped people don't enjoy being compared to the brain dead. Nobody thinks people should be discarded when they can no longer contribute to society. Some people find it very unnatural to keep a body alive when the soul has long since left this world and a person has a zero percent chance of ever regaining consciousness. Again families and doctors choose to let patients go thousands of times a year. Most of the time these patients aren't brain dead and haven't spent more than a decade in a coma. What makes this case so different?


31 posted on 03/28/2006 8:41:10 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: originalbuckeye

Wow. And the Catholic Church there married him anyway.

I am still convinced that there was a Divine message sent to us during the period where we all knew Terri wasn't going to be saved from starvation, and the feeding tube was placed into Pope John Paul II. A great man who taught us for decades about the value of every life.


32 posted on 03/28/2006 8:46:14 AM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL ( **Hunter-Tancredo-Weldon 4 President** Just call me an undocumented border patrol agent.)
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To: SmoothTalker
So why was she being administered acetaminophen? Doesn't fit into your "no awareness of pain" explanation. Are there other indications for Tylenol other than reducing swelling, reducing a fever, or for treatment of pain?

Let's break this down...

Fever is a common side effect of dehydration and since her dehydration was conducted to end her life, there is no logical reason to prevent that particular side effect.

Reduction of swelling usually, but not in all instances, also reduces pain from the swollen area. Acetaminophen is not a strong enough medication to reduce swelling in major organs, though it has some uses in reducing cramping of organs (uterine contraction during menstruation) in those cases it is given to reduce the pain/discomfort a patient is feeling.

And finally we have the use of the drug as a mild pain reliever. Again, if she had absolutely no conscience, no ability to detect any bodily pain, there would be no reason to administer a mild pain reliever.

No matter how you look at it the facts do not add up.
33 posted on 03/28/2006 8:51:38 AM PST by Brytani
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Some think she became a vegetable. Wonder what flavor the Kool Aid is.

Here she is a couple years later and on her way to recovery when pal Mikey cashed in the malpractice lottery and turned off the rehab faucets.

Terri after the attack and before bioethicking.

34 posted on 03/28/2006 8:58:29 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: SmoothTalker
You have yet to answer the question of why Michael sues for rehabilitation money if there was no chance of her ever getting any better????

Why would he sue?

35 posted on 03/28/2006 9:01:34 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats....by Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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To: Brytani

Morphine was part of the Exit Protocol and was administered at the last few days. Granted it was also to hasten the death process, but also to reduce the felt pain. Imagine if a dog were treated so inhumanely. She was conscious and alert on Easter Sunday, even so late into the Protocol.


36 posted on 03/28/2006 9:02:19 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Brytani
I still have never received an answer to my question from long ago.

Michael, you testified, in your malpractice suit, that Terri would want to live. You received in excess of a million dollars. Then you testified that Terri WOULDN'T want to live so that you could get her feeding tube removed. Exactly when, during her incapacitation, did she communicate to you that she had decided she was ready to die?

Nobody has answered this yet.
37 posted on 03/28/2006 9:05:45 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: 8mmMauser

Sorry to do this to you but according to the toxocology section of her autopsy only acetaminophen and basic drugs were found in her system. No morphine, no narcotics not even antibiotics.

The Tox screen is on page 9 of the 39 page autopsy report.

It would have been more humane to give her high doses of morphine to hasten her death. It would have assured little if any pain and a quicker death. Considering that most medical experts agree that death due to dehydration is a very painful way to die, controling the pain of that process would have been humane. However, humane and Michael Schiavo should never be used in the same sentence.


38 posted on 03/28/2006 9:14:11 AM PST by Brytani
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To: memorandum1
Real men don't wear rings like that. Not REAL men. Never!

LOL! I was thinking the same thing. Only a self-centered arrogant, vile, love-thyself jerk would do this. I watched the interview he did on NBC Dateline and could not get over how everything was about HIM. I honestly pity his new partner, she is in for a rude awakening.

39 posted on 03/28/2006 9:14:57 AM PST by Gerish (Choose God, he has already chosen you.)
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To: originalbuckeye
He can't answer it. When he went to trial to get money for the "care" of Terri, he indicated no desire on his or her part to artificially end her life. A fact that is indisputable is that only AFTER he received the money did he remember her wanting to die.
40 posted on 03/28/2006 9:15:53 AM PST by Brytani
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