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Is it time for a constitutional convention called by the people re: illegal immigration?

Posted on 03/27/2006 5:46:36 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Edited on 03/27/2006 8:53:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: pbrown
You want a socialist like fat teddy to get his grubby hands on the Constitution? Or the hildabeast? Good God have mercy!!!!


Of course not. Why would you suggest such a thing?

I would certainly not want the likes of many of our gop leadership to get their grubby hands on it either.

A constitutional convention could be convened with representatives not already elected officials.
281 posted on 03/27/2006 8:54:33 PM PST by WhiteGuy ("Every Generation needs a new revolution" - Jefferson)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
If we can harness that fear for our advantage-in order to enact real change-then I guarantee you that this atmosphere of alienation and apathy will start to change.

You think they'd notice if 10 million pissed off Americans showed up in Washington bearing down on the senate building? I bet that would get their attention.

282 posted on 03/27/2006 8:56:17 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: pbrown
Or sent them blast-faxes, or melted the switchboards on Capitol Hill, or berated them at every public meeting they held henceforth.

Yes, that would be a good start.

We need to vocalize our distaste for these squirming, slimey creatures at every opportunity.

It won't have an impact on some of them-for example, Teddy "The Swimmer" Kennedy-but it will sway others.

But most importantly, we need to punish each and every one of these senators who have betrayed us at the ballot box.

283 posted on 03/27/2006 9:00:09 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Publius

Thank you very much. And I pasted a copy of your post to the top of the thread.


284 posted on 03/27/2006 9:01:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: WhiteGuy
Of course not. Why would you suggest such a thing?

Because if they get the chance to open up that sacred document and have at it, it won't be recognizable when they get finished with it.

I don't anyone having a snowballs chance in hell with getting to it.

285 posted on 03/27/2006 9:03:22 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: pbrown

Just as long as they stay away from the 21st amendment!


286 posted on 03/27/2006 9:07:56 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
We need to vocalize our distaste for these squirming, slimey creatures at every opportunity.

The left can get 500,000 in one city to protest against this government tightening the screws on immigration, and we can't manage to scrape together 5,000 when we want our voices heard. It's pathetic.

287 posted on 03/27/2006 9:09:12 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Frank_2001

"They want California so badly, they can have it, and we take Mexico. Now there's a plan!:)"




You win the prize for the most stupid plan suggested here today.


288 posted on 03/27/2006 9:09:31 PM PST by AmeriBrit (A must see: http://www.iraqitruthproject.com/flash2.html)
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To: Pukin Dog

Oh yes gov can and will determine your fate, So you found some tax loopholes, great, that wont be the case forever, especially as national demographics change and liberals gain control full like they have in CA. The people I know that didnt find tax loopholes, betwene the cost of living, the taxes and the "diversity" had enough and left CA.


289 posted on 03/27/2006 9:10:20 PM PST by RFT1
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To: pbrown
The numbers aren't the problem.

These fifth columnist, Mechista scumbags rallied the same level of support against Prop. 187, and the corollary to that bill in the state of Arizona, and it was all for naught.

What we need to do is ensure that we have elected officials-and jurists-willing to enforce the laws that are on the books.

We refuse to nominate another George W. Bush-type Republican, point-blank, under any circumstances.

If the GOP wants to win another election with an open borders, bilingual presidential candidate, then it can do so without our votes.

290 posted on 03/27/2006 9:14:47 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
Look, I don't want to get into another pointless argument over the merits of the 17th Amendment. Suffice it to say, you and I will never see eye-to-eye on that subject. However, your reference to Daschle relates to my broader point. Namely, that the people's will is more powerful than any other force in American politics. South Dakotans kept reelecting Tom Daschle precisely because they believed that he represented their interests in Washington D.C., in spite of philosophical differences.

Please forgive me, I didn't recall debating the merits and demerits of the 17th Amendmend with you in the past. I didn't intend to start another argument over the subject, and was certainly not trying to win you over. I was merely trying to use the inherent corruption in South Dakota to illustrate my point—which might have been lost in the noise over the 17th Amendment. Please, if you will, allow me to try and illustrate it once more:

I would argue that Tom Daschle was continuously reëlected to the Senate not by the will of South Dakotans, but rather by firmly-entrenched ELECTORAL FRAUD which was pervasive on the Indian reservations within that State.

It was, by my logic, not necessarily "the people's will" that Daschle was recalled, but was instead the fact that, due to the reduction in illegitimate voting brought about by the electoral reform push that followed the Gore debacle that allowed the people of South Dakota to be heard for the first time ever!

Your fair state is another example of the problem that I'm trying to illustrate.

Do you think that Hillary would have a chance at all to gain a Senate seat, if it weren't for the entrenched Democratic voting apparatus in New York City? If it weren't for New York City, do you dare to bet for a second that she wouldn't have run off to a Chicago or Los Angeles to run, no matter who was currently seated there? It wasn't the citizens of New York State who elected her, but rather the entrenched Democratic stronghold that is the City!

Maybe we're both only seeing half of the picture... I approach the vote of the general population very hesitantly—first and foremost because the Democratic party has been so adept at blatantly manipulating the popular vote for so many years, and secondly because I feel that the population, corporately, is not fully aware of the way our Government is intended to work.

I'm also not saying you're completely wrong, either, but am merely trying to express the problem in the terms that I see it. (After all, we're the product of our learning, are we not?) You are most certainly right, in some cases, to say that the people retain Senators that they think are "useful" to them, though I shudder to think of the kind of person who would willingly vote for a McCain or a Feingold.

All of that aside, the corruption side of voting took a severe beating after the 2000 elections, and I think that we'll continue to see these people fall from power as elections become more honest. At least, that's all I can hope for.

291 posted on 03/27/2006 9:15:59 PM PST by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: Jim Robinson

Here's how one group is answering this. I just noticed this on another board, and figured I would post it here. I dont know a thing about the group organizing it.

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A Day Without Americans - April 17, 2006 - National Day of Protest

From D.A. King: "We have reached the point in our national history at which we as a nation must choose whether to resist …or to wave the white flag of surrender…"

by D.A. King - The Dustin Inman Society

In response to the recent mass national rallies fearlessly staged by the illegal alien lobby, The Dustin Inman Society is suggesting that Americans nationwide stay home from work and not spend any money on April 17. 2006 - income tax day.

The country and its governmnet needs to witness a day without Americans.

It is not an overstatement to observe that the federal government has abandoned the American people and we teeter on the brink of national suicide.

The well-funded illegal alien lobby has been successful in galvanizing the millions of illegal aliens in the nation to march in American streets demanding no less than open borders, continued selective law enforcement and amnesty for people who should be in fear of apprehension and deportation.

It has also galvanized many Americans who are seeing for the first time the true nature and result of our intentionally unsecured borders.

Enough!

The message to the U. S. government and the world is that another amnesty for illegals is tantamount to erasing any pretense of a nation of secure borders, rule of law and a common language. Amnesty - by any name - does not stop illegal immigration.

We have reached the point in our national history at which we as a nation must choose whether to resist …or to wave the white flag of surrender.

We are suggesting that Americans who do not work in medical, law enforcement or emergency capacities stay home from work on April 17 and that we, as a united people, reply to the government that has refused to protect us by refraining from spending any money. Those who have nothing to fear from violating any law that is not beneficial to them are not the only group with power in these United States.

We are demanding that the American government offer the same protection in the United States that the Mexican government provides its people.

This is our country. We dishonor our grandfathers if we do not try to protect the republic that was lovingly passed on to us.

A national day of public opposition to illegal immigration April 17, 2006 !


292 posted on 03/27/2006 9:17:28 PM PST by judicial meanz (Progressive liberals and Stalinists; tell me exactly where they are different in their beliefs?)
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To: pbrown

We have jobs. They don't. It's perfectly understandable—though we'll be certain to make our influence known in more useful ways than foolish public parading... (not to say that I wouldn't feel DARN good burning a Mexican flag right now...)


293 posted on 03/27/2006 9:17:55 PM PST by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: durasell

Fat teddy would kill anyone who tried to mess with that again. Of course, the kennedy family made their money when the 18th was in effect.


294 posted on 03/27/2006 9:20:24 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Jim Robinson
...how would we go about getting two thirds of the state legislatures to act?

Pitchforks, shovels, knives, torches and rope.

295 posted on 03/27/2006 9:21:03 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Crime cannot be tolerated. Criminals thrive on the indulgences of society's understanding.)
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To: Publius

Thanks much for a fantastic post...the time has come to do something serious, and I will be giving a lot of my time to ponder the situation. The future of our children and this country is at stake and when 75% of the people want something done and our leaders refuse to do it. It is time for action. The question remains what type of action?

Off the top of my head besides a constitutional Convention, we need to use all our resources to fight these arrogant self dealing idiots. Taking a look at past causes, civil rights, prohibition, suffrage etc, what methods worked? Civil disobedience (peaceful)seems to be one common thread that helped bring about these changes.

Our politicians live for votes and donations. Both parties are now seperated by only a fine line.
Our government lives on our forced taxes and our antiquated tax law where is our amnesty? Where is our Tax Reform? It won't happen because Congress benefits from the status quo unless we make it happen.

Clearly if things don't change and soon, we will be facing a Civil War or Revolution, because America as we know it is disappearing.

I would thing a tactician would suggest a multi-pronged approach, and not put all our eggs in one basket.

Time to watch Mel Gibson in the Patriot again....Somehow I can relate to his role.


296 posted on 03/27/2006 9:21:51 PM PST by rolling_stone (Question Authority!)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
The numbers aren't the problem.

Maybe, maybe not. I think overwhelming numbers would scare the bejesus outta them and make them rethink their blatant support for the invasion of our country.

297 posted on 03/27/2006 9:24:27 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: pbrown

I'm new to the immigration issue...but let me throw my two cents out just the same.

Strict enforcement of immigration laws, as far as I can see, would require two things that people don't particularly like:

A)Increased taxes to enforce the laws on every level -- local, state and fed.

B)A new level of government intrusion into all businesses, particularly small businesses to check for undocumented workers. This could extend to home searches if there were "probable cause" of undocumented workers working as domestics.


298 posted on 03/27/2006 9:24:37 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: detsaoT
though we'll be certain to make our influence known in more useful ways than foolish public parading...

Meanwhile....their foolish parading is getting them the results they want.

299 posted on 03/27/2006 9:27:18 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: rolling_stone
Taking a look at past causes, civil rights, prohibition, suffrage etc, what methods worked? Civil disobedience (peaceful)seems to be one common thread that helped bring about these changes.

With civil rights, civil disobedience was a large part of what moved Congress to action.

With Prohibition, the Constitution was amended by a populace tired of gang warfare to control the illegal product. An amendment had outlawed booze, and an amendment was needed to undo the damage.

With women's suffrage, there was a lot of civil disobedience in Britain, but little here. The Republicans led the way in several party platforms, and finally a constitutional amendment got past Congress and the states.

300 posted on 03/27/2006 9:28:33 PM PST by Publius
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