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Is it time for a constitutional convention called by the people re: illegal immigration?

Posted on 03/27/2006 5:46:36 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Edited on 03/27/2006 8:53:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: detsaoT
I don't know about yours, but my state government doesn't represent my interests.

Unseating senators who've betrayed our interests, on the other hand, is eminently doable, especially if we target ones who represent so-called swing states, e.g. Martinez, Stabenow, DeWine, among others.

141 posted on 03/27/2006 6:48:08 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Willie Green
Besides, the nasty little secret behind Dubya's appointments is that they'll all subordinate our Constitution to WTO regulations and agreements.

Whoa!! That's just great; I didn't know that.

142 posted on 03/27/2006 6:48:25 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: trubluolyguy
how to handle the government when they step out of line and refuse to listen to the people.

Mr. Jefferson provided you with elections every two years, and you can bet your last dime that the Congress does nothing BUT "listen to the people".

The problem is, there is no cost to a Member to support illegal immigration, and until the people see fit to impose such a cost, nothing will change.

143 posted on 03/27/2006 6:48:32 PM PST by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Willie Green

Oh, I'm sure you're right. However, I think you ought to turn down the volume of your earpiece. Pat Buchanan's rantings have scrambled your brains.


144 posted on 03/27/2006 6:49:10 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: MikefromOhio
Rush, Hannity, Levin, O'Reilly... all have a HUGE audience, and if they would say to their listeners, "Folks, get in your vehicles and get to DC. Park your butts in your representatives' offices, gather on the Hill and yell with one voice, 'We are mad as Hell, and we're not gonna take it anymore!' Folks, it's time for you to insist that your representatives represent you and our country and our best interests" ... DC would be teeming with pi**ed-off American citizens.

I could stand on a soapbox and say these things, but nobody listens to me; I can't figure out why one of these guys with their huge "base" won't urge their listeners to do more than call and email their reps.

145 posted on 03/27/2006 6:49:22 PM PST by tgslTakoma
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To: CowboyJay
re: Whether the GOP holds a majority or not will be a moot point)))

I think it might also work out differently than expected. Maybe we'll be looking at multiple parties--a La Raza party, a Conservative, a Socialist--and the GOP and DNC may see itself forgotton among the pluralities. What is curious to me is that black Democrats have not realized how marginalized they are shortly to become.

146 posted on 03/27/2006 6:50:02 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Jim Robinson

Key points I'd like to see in the amendment, wordsmithed in the appropriate manner by those who are good at it:
* Legislative and Executive are accountable for representing the interests of the American peoples' sovereignty. In case of a conflict between sovereignty and multilaterialism, or between sovereignty and economic considerations, sovereignty must prevail.
* President is required to treat an illegal immigration crisis as an invasion and act of war, and is required to uphold and defend the Constitution and the sovereignty of the US, etc.
* In any case where state and local authorities fail to uphold the law, harbor illegal aliens, or obstruct federal enforcement efforts, fed can declare a state of emergency, and deploy National Guard to enforce the law - e.g treat it like the LA riots.
* Conversely, where state and local authorities (and volunteers operating legally) demonstrate motivation to aid enforcement efforts, Fed shall not interfere.
* Reinstates the authority and duty of each state's governor to muster a State Militia, as a separate entity from the National Guard.
* Requires the Exec and Legislature to respond to any action by other nations to promote illegal immigration as an act of war.


147 posted on 03/27/2006 6:50:26 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

What you get when, out of two parties, one is radical and the other is weak.


148 posted on 03/27/2006 6:51:20 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: visualops

Well, Gov. Rick "Pretty Boy" Perry (R-TX)will be the last governor to do anything to protect his state. The criminal invaders are literally attacking the citizens of this state, and a load of munitions, including RPGs was just intercepted coming into TX from Mexico last week. Perry's in way over his head on this one. and besides, he's too busy with photo ops for the upcoming campaign. I wouldn't vote for that worthless show horse if he sent me a $50 bill for my vote.


149 posted on 03/27/2006 6:51:53 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Mamzelle

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/31947/


150 posted on 03/27/2006 6:53:38 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Jim Robinson
I think it's best handled on a state level. One of the most effective things is the fining of those who hire illegals. That is already federal law (that is never enforced) however, states would LOVE to have a bunch of money that could be raised by fining employers. Passing a state law with fines (and finders fees) would go a long way towards ending the problem.

A $10,000 per illegal employee would go a long way toward cleaning this up, not to mention that a 10% finders fee would ensure a LOT of people would be reporting their employers who were breaking rhe law.

151 posted on 03/27/2006 6:53:57 PM PST by McGavin999 (The US media is afflicted with Attention Deficit Disorder)
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To: TheLion
The problem is far beyond the borders, though. We're feeling it here in the Commonwealth of Virginia, and we're hardly a border state.

The States have more power over their citizens (and the land within their borders) than the Federal Government does. They just don't realize it.

As far as correcting an out-of-control Federal government, well... the last time that was tried was 1861, I'm afraid. ;)

152 posted on 03/27/2006 6:54:29 PM PST by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: Jim Robinson

IMO, the opportunities for mischief...for undoing the most inspired of human documents...is too big to risk.

We need to use other means to restore and defend the Constitution.


153 posted on 03/27/2006 6:54:57 PM PST by EternalVigilance (20 million+ illegal aliens here now...a billion more coming behind them...be very afraid!)
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To: kittymyrib
Well, Gov. Rick "Pretty Boy" Perry (R-TX)will be the last governor to do anything to protect his state. The criminal invaders are literally attacking the citizens of this state...

Geez, same here with Janet Napolitano (D-AZ).

154 posted on 03/27/2006 6:55:21 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: La Enchiladita

"My state senators and assemblypersons are all pochos!"

California has R&I legislature. You could start a petition and call for a referendum. Even if it doesn't pass in CA and NE, there's still a chance. We don't need every state. Only 3/4 to call for a convention.


155 posted on 03/27/2006 6:55:30 PM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
New York?

Duh!

Get the hell out of there—the Northeast has been lost for more than a century! There's no reason to even think of being a slave of the welfare state, is there?

156 posted on 03/27/2006 6:55:41 PM PST by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: Jim Robinson

Not sure how to word it, but as long as we're going to amend it, let's put in a clause making it a felony and prosecutable with mandatory prison time and a fine or worse for any official, regardless of position who is found in violation of their oath of office. The founders forgot to put in an accountability clause, it seems.


157 posted on 03/27/2006 6:56:05 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Mamzelle

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=7592


158 posted on 03/27/2006 6:57:00 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: CowboyJay
Referenda have been passed by the citizens of California, only to be overturned by the corrupt Federal judiciary.

California needs a constitutional convention all its own. Start by getting its constitution down to 200 pages. ;)

159 posted on 03/27/2006 6:57:01 PM PST by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: Willie Green

Actually, the first place to start would be the impeachment of the President for not fulfilling his oath of office by failing to preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States. When illegal aliens have a right to break the law because "they are hard workers", the Constitution has been tossed in the garbage. If this issue had come to a boiling point like this in '04, W would've been home in Crawford for the past year.


160 posted on 03/27/2006 6:57:12 PM PST by kittymyrib
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