Rice: U.S. to Query Russia on Iraq Intel

AP ^ | March 26, 2006 | DOUGLASS K. DANIEL

[GodGunsGuts]

It would appear that the Bush administration is once again poised to make excuses for, and/or forgive Russia's anti-American behavior. Remember Rice's dictum..."Punish France, ignore Germany, forgive Russia"??? If they let Russia off the hook on this one, the Bush administration will definately have some serious explaining to do.

[GodGunsGuts]

Any news on who leaked the intel. to the Russians from within our government?

[Dog]

Excuse me?

I watched as Condi made these comments...I didn't take away the same thing as youu did.

She spoke in diplospeak....it was what she didn't say that was newsworthy...

[Dog]

the Bush administration will definately have some serious explaining to do.

To who you?

[Philistone]

There is no proof that anyone from the US "leaked" the intel.

The intel which was correct (size, disposition of forces, etc) could have come from Russian satellite intel, while the intel on intentions (some right, most wrong) could have been guesswork.

What better way for a Russian wishing to ingratiate himself with Saddam (and get a good sum of money from the Oil-for-Food scandal) than to say that his guesswork came "from inside the US command".

When dealing with intel and counter-intel, NEVER take anything at face value.

[Dog]

Before blowing your gums and ranting about how you will never forgive Bush if if if......lets review how the memo was released...

The memo was released without telling the Russians it was coming out they found out we knew what they did when the public did......that should tell you how displeased the Bush Admin...really is.

[GodGunsGuts]

To the American people. The list of Russia's anti-American actions keeps growing by the day...and, correct me if I'm wrong, we almost never hold them accountable.

[khnyny]

It's a big geopolitical game. You don't think the Russians want the US to succeed in Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else do you?

[Dog]

Ok so what punishment would you suggest?

[GodGunsGuts]

Fair enough. I was referring to a Fox News report that stated that the leak came from within the US governent/military.

[Dog]

No the report and all reporting said the "leak" came from inside CentCom....which if you will remember that during the war had numerous countries allied with us...stationed at CENTCOM.

It could have have one of any number of our allies who feed the Russians the info.

[Just mythoughts]

"The memo was released without telling the Russians it was coming out they found out we knew what they did when the public did......that should tell you how displeased the Bush Admin...really is."


Hmmmm, if somebody within US Command was leaking to the Russians way back when, how do we know what has been discovered was not also leaked? I use that term US Command loosely as there are people outside the Administration who would have had authorization to know, such as Congress.

[GodGunsGuts]

I think a public pronouncement that Russia can no longer be counted on as a "partner" in the WOT would do for starters. Such a statement would be mild in comparison to the laundry list of Russia's aid and comfort to terrorists and terrorist nations.

[Kakaze]

" It's a big geopolitical game. You don't think the Russians want the US to succeed in Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else do you?"

You're right about that..

This is one reason Condi needs to be in the next administration too. Too many people think the cold war is over and russia is no longer a player. They use this reasoning to say that Condi, a expert in russian studies looks backward toward the cold war. In fact, that war is just being fought differently, and the russians activities prove that out.

Condi, is in the right position now and well needed into the future.

[Dog]

I think a public pronouncement that Russia can no longer be counted on as a "partner" in the WOT would do for starters.

Your kidding right?

Do you realize how that would complicate the WOT?

[Philistone]

Yes, but all the "reports" cite the same source which is the Russian himself.

He was (according to this and another source) paid handsomely for his "information".

Just keep in the back of your mind that people who get paid for providing information will attempt to maximize the value of it.

IIRC, anyone with access to CNN in the run-up to the war would have heard military talking heads talking about the tactic of skipping major cities in the run to Baghdad, and that the war wouldn't start until the 4th Army was in position.

They got one right, one wrong. Just like the Russian.

[GodGunsGuts]

Why pretend that Russia is a partner in the WOT when they consistently (not to mention brazenly) do the opposite?

[Dog]

What got me steamed was the part in the memo about the Russian tip of our use of the Karbala Gap...that could have really have hurt us....but Saddam being the military genius he aint ignored the tip....and lost Baghdad and will lose his head now.

[Dog]

Ok say we do what you are suggesting....now lets suppose the Russians capture a Chechen who tells them of a Al Qaeda plot to blow up the White House.....and the Russians say screw the US.....bomb goes off... hundreds die....and we lose the White House..... because.... GodGunsGuts came up with this idea to punish the Russians.

Its all interconnected..

[Philistone]

I think the Joe Wilson story is instructive here. Leaders have lots of sources of information of varying degrees of credibility.

Just by the law of averages, SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE will have predicted something that actually came to pass. Doesn't mean he should have been believed prior to the event.