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Judge in Dover case reports hostile e-mails
York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 24 March 2006 | LAURI LEBO

Posted on 03/24/2006 4:03:39 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: dmz
Did Sternberg publish peer reviewed articles on ID?

STATEMENT FROM THE COUNCIL OF THE BIOLOGICAL SOCIETY OF WASHINGTON.

The paper by Stephen C. Meyer, "The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories," in vol. 117, no. 2, pp. 213-239 of the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, was published at the discretion of the former editor, Richard v. Sternberg. Contrary to typical editorial practices, the paper was published without review by any associate editor; Sternberg handled the entire review process. The Council, which includes officers, elected councilors, and past presidents, and the associate editors would have deemed the paper inappropriate for the pages of the Proceedings because the subject matter represents such a significant departure from the nearly purely systematic content for which this journal has been known throughout its 122-year history. For the same reason, the journal will not publish a rebuttal to the thesis of the paper, the superiority of intelligent design (ID) over evolution as an explanation of the emergence of Cambrian body-plan diversity. The Council endorses a resolution on ID published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science, which observes that there is no credible scientific evidence supporting ID as a testable hypothesis to explain the origin of organic diversity. Accordingly, the Meyer paper does not meet the scientific standards of the Proceedings.

101 posted on 03/24/2006 10:27:49 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: Nextrush

So what, exactly, is bad about this particular ruling?


102 posted on 03/24/2006 10:29:53 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
So what, exactly, is bad about this particular ruling?
Nothing, at least for people who don't like "judicial activism"; but that doesn't stop DI and others from being firm belivers in Crybabyism


103 posted on 03/24/2006 10:57:28 AM PST by anguish (while science catches up.... mysticism!)
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To: puroresu
However, at the time may of us noted that Jones could have simply issued a routine ruling citing precedent and left it at that.

Except, of course, that the Thomas More Law Center specifically asked him to rule on the merits of ID.

That was their strategy, that was why they went looking for a school board to enact policy guaranteed to provoke a court challenge.

Blame the Thomas More Law Center for the harshness of the ruling, not the judge.

104 posted on 03/24/2006 10:58:48 AM PST by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: PatrickHenry

What?!?!?!?!? You're suggesting that an ID-supporter presented partial information, without "the rest of the story"? I'm shocked, I tell you....shocked.

Thanks for that.


105 posted on 03/24/2006 11:01:31 AM PST by LibertarianSchmoe
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To: Quark2005
By the way, I've never met a practicing "Darwinist". Do you know any?

"Darwinist" is a word coined to have negative connotations. A Darwinist is presumably a supporter or practitioner of a doctrine called "Darwinism" (which is a companion word coined for the same purpose). It's a subtle thing, and I imagine it works only in English. It's similar to words like: Chauvanist, Leninist, Maoist, Marxist, Mesmerist, Onanist, Papist, and Satanist.

106 posted on 03/24/2006 11:17:43 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: PatrickHenry
"Darwinist" is a word coined to have negative connotations.

Interesting. I don't find the term to be in the least bit offensive, just hilariously inaccurate. I honestly don't know a whole lot about Darwin as a person; most of what we know about evolution now has little to do with his own personal research, anyway. It's as if antagonists think the modern theory of evolution hasn't moved forward since the man passed away and adhere to his ideas blindly without the benefit of any further research. Quite strange.

107 posted on 03/24/2006 11:26:12 AM PST by Quark2005 (Confidence follows from consilience.)
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To: longshadow; PatrickHenry
"...there are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred,..."

So the school board could have this put on a sticker and apply it to all of their biology books to "teach the controversy".

108 posted on 03/24/2006 11:33:47 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
So the school board could have this put on a sticker and apply it to all of their biology books to "teach the controversy".

A novel and perceptive idea you have there...

109 posted on 03/24/2006 11:36:42 AM PST by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: PatrickHenry

I wonder if these are from the same people that gave Paul Mirecki a beating.


110 posted on 03/24/2006 11:37:58 AM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


111 posted on 03/24/2006 11:43:13 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: PatrickHenry

LOL!!

That's a great tagline!


112 posted on 03/24/2006 11:43:22 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Quark2005
I don't find the term [Darwinist] to be in the least bit offensive, just hilariously inaccurate.

Naming a movement or doctrine after the man who founded or led it often has pejorative connotations. The suffix "ite" has a similar usage: Luddite, Millerite, etc. Thus, some creationists also use "Darwinite."

113 posted on 03/24/2006 11:47:02 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: Nextrush
Here in PA the Pennsylvania State Education Association supports the candidates and they vote in a bigger pension for school employees.

I noticed that you didn't mention that the school board members who caused this lawsuit were voted out of office by the electorate.

Seems like the voters had their say.

114 posted on 03/24/2006 11:48:28 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Diamond
A pubmed search for "sternberg" + "intelligent design" yields a grand total of zero abstracts.

And why would anyone need two Ph.Ds in similar fields? Is that supposed to be impressive? Nobody who is serious about a career in science would do that.

115 posted on 03/24/2006 11:48:55 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
I am not a physicist by any stretch, but doesnt everything have a Schwartzfield radius?

As in, compress a tennis ball to the space of its schwartzfield radius and it would become a black hole?

116 posted on 03/24/2006 11:51:32 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla
Sorry, Schawrtzchild. Ironic, doesnt that mean "Black Shield" in German?
117 posted on 03/24/2006 11:52:52 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla

No. There is a certain minimum amount of mass required to distort space enough for light to be trapped.

If you squashed a tennis ball to the size of an atom, there still wouldn't be enough mass.

For example, our sun is too small to become a black hole.


118 posted on 03/24/2006 11:58:16 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: RightWingNilla; Diamond
And why would anyone need two Ph.Ds in similar fields? Is that supposed to be impressive? Nobody who is serious about a career in science would do that.

He's probably a consultant.

119 posted on 03/24/2006 11:59:10 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: dmz
He had the temerity to publish The Origin of Biological Information and the Higher Taxonomic Categories by Stephen Meyer in Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington.

So when it is said that scientists who support intelligent design don’t publish in peer reviewed journals, at least if the experience of Sternberg is any indication, the aim is to keep it that way.

Cordially,

120 posted on 03/24/2006 12:05:56 PM PST by Diamond
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