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Australia Uses Fighter Plane to Sink Drug Ship
Fox News ^ | 23 MAr 2006 | AP

Posted on 03/23/2006 8:08:08 AM PST by Cliff Dweller

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To: El Gato
Incorrect. The Phoenix and AWG-9 were first tested on modified A-3s.


41 posted on 03/23/2006 10:25:21 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Yo-Yo
The production B1-B, however, dropped the crew capsule design and has conventional ejection seats.

It also had a much better ESA (electronically steerable array) radar, with back end subsystems (receiver, signal processor, etc) borrowed from the F-16 radar.

It also featured reduced RCS features, including a new engine inlet design. It also had a reduced top speed at low level.

42 posted on 03/23/2006 10:33:12 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Pukin Dog
Typo?
43 posted on 03/23/2006 10:35:39 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Cliff Dweller

the title is slightly misleading. looks like the drug ship was already impounded. spoils all the fun of a high seas chase


44 posted on 03/23/2006 10:37:45 AM PST by The Lion Roars
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To: Yo-Yo
The F-111 was never going to be the dogfighter that the F-14 is/was. There's no rearward view, ferchristsake!

Making it similar in that regard to many older MiGs. :)

45 posted on 03/23/2006 10:38:24 AM PST by El Gato
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Incorrect. The Phoenix and AWG-9 were first tested on modified A-3s.

I didn't say they first flew in the F-111B, but rather that they were designed for it. They certainly weren't designed for the A-3.

46 posted on 03/23/2006 10:41:30 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Pukin Dog
If the F-111 is a fighter, then I am a Democrat.

...And McNamara is a freaking engineering and military genius.

47 posted on 03/23/2006 10:44:53 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Pukin Dog

Wasn't it the Chief of Naval Operations who, testifying before some House committee, said there wasn't enough thrust in Christendom to make the F-111 a fighter?


48 posted on 03/23/2006 10:47:41 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
It was Admiral Thomas P. Connelly, who traded his military career for that statement. Congress did not want to hear that the F-111 was not suitable for carrier operations or the Air Superiority mission.

In thanks and appreciation, the F-14 was named by Grumman and the Navy the 'TOM'Cat.

49 posted on 03/23/2006 10:56:28 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache, so don't be hatin'. LOL!)
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To: Pukin Dog
Typo of my own: It was Thomas F Connelly.
50 posted on 03/23/2006 11:00:39 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache, so don't be hatin'. LOL!)
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To: Pukin Dog
Interesting tidbit.
51 posted on 03/23/2006 11:04:04 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: El Gato
In fact the Phoenix and associated AWG-9 fire control system were designed for the F-111B, and first tested on them.

I didn't say they first flew in the F-111B,

Your short term memory is in the crapper. Maybe it's the early stages of Alzheimer's.

52 posted on 03/23/2006 11:05:22 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Pukin Dog

Howdy, Democrat!

On a mission flown a few years (quite a few, now) back, we had 3 confirmed 'kills' against the F-16s with no losses on our side. Needless to say, the Lawndarts weren't very happy.

Of course, I've also been in an F-111 where my idiot pilot decided to try a vertical scissors against an F-16.

80,000 pounds of manliness going up - but not for long! At the Red Flag debrief, the F-16 pilot commented, "I almost hated to shoot someone who was so obviously insane."


53 posted on 03/23/2006 11:11:18 AM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers

You WSOing a D or an F?


54 posted on 03/23/2006 11:16:48 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Starwolf
the Grumman Ironworks birds are ugly and slow but have always been the premier tactical jamming aircraft. The EF-111 never surpassed them in EW capability.

Horses@$t.

Prowlers carry 6-8 transmitters, which work about 80% of the time. The EF-111 carried 10, which worked 99.8% of the time.

Since the EF-111 carried 32,000 pounds of fuel internal with similiar fuel flows, it could stay on station much longer. Given time to go back & forth to the tanker, and the EF-111 on station time was on the order of 3 times greater.

And since the EF-111 had the option of leaving bad guy land at 1.3+ Mach, it could afford to go in farther. Closer = more power delivered to the enemy radar.

ICAP 3 is a fine upgrade, but you should remember the EF-111 had all jamming upgrades ended in the early 90s in anticipation of retirement.

And while never used (the USAF didn't want competition with the CJs), there was no reason other than USAF stupidity that an EF-111 couldn't have carried 4 HARMS on every mission - without impacting fuel or transmitters.

For land based used, the EF-111 was vastly superior. Unfortunately, the USAF has never given a tinker's damn about EW.

55 posted on 03/23/2006 11:21:01 AM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers; Rokke
On a mission flown a few years (quite a few, now) back, we had 3 confirmed 'kills' against the F-16s with no losses on our side.

I am sure that is because those who drive Falcon's on a regular basis can suffer from that head-slap they get sometimes with a poor fitting helmet, when they come into the break. It makes them nutty sometimes. Just ask Rokke. They see an F-111, and say to themselves "I'll just show her my ass, then I'll reverse on her, so both those jockey can pay for my beer tonight." SLAP, SLAP.

Then, while the fool recovers you light him up with your.............pod.

LOL.

56 posted on 03/23/2006 11:30:50 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache, so don't be hatin'. LOL!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Wrong on many counts. The 2 ECMOs in the back gave greater capability for collecting elint, but the jamming ability was no better. The EF-111 didn't normally use automatic jamming, but since the pilot handles his own radio calls and the nav suite was lights years superior in the EF, the 1 EWO could handle the jamming workload easily.

Internal generators is one of the main reasons the transmitters worked regularly on the EF. Based on my hours in the Prowler, my earlier post claiming 80% effectiveness for them was optimistic. We typically would launch 3 and see which 2 had the most functional transmitters.

And there is no getting around 10 transmitters in the EF, every sortie.

I never, ever heard of an EF-111 transmitter catching fire.

And I have no idea why you think the EFs couldn't operate from an expeditionary airfield.

And as I mentioned, the ONLY reason the EF couldn't carry 4 HARMs on every mission is that the USAF, with unbeatable stupidity, refused to put the capability into the jet. In fact, they had the wire going to the wing stations cut so they could tell Congress with a straight face, "It cannot be done."


57 posted on 03/23/2006 11:31:41 AM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers
there was no reason other than USAF stupidity that an EF-111 couldn't have carried 4 HARMS on every mission

I think there was one....right?

Wasn't your TFR found to occasionally run you into a mountain side? HARMS are expensive! LOL! You do know I am just having fun at your expense?

58 posted on 03/23/2006 11:34:13 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache, so don't be hatin'. LOL!)
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To: Pukin Dog

Actually, by the time they were retired, the F-111F and EF-111 maintenance costs ran about 5% higher than the F-15E.

The cost of keeping all the EF-111s and 24 F-111Fs was the same as the cost of 20 Prowlers, which have much higher MX costs.


59 posted on 03/23/2006 11:34:41 AM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: Pukin Dog

I've got more than enough F-4 time to handle the abuse found in all real fighter squadrons!

The F-111 was a poor joke as a fighter, but it turned into a great tactical bomber. It breaks my heart to think of what an F-111F - with 24 GBUs and a ton of loiter time, equipped with a Sniper or Litening targeting pod and a WSO with nothing better to do than make it work - could do in Iraq!

BTW - TFR operations were wholly unnatural!


60 posted on 03/23/2006 11:40:30 AM PST by Mr Rogers
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