Posted on 03/20/2006 12:43:57 PM PST by veronica
Israel can't do it without our approval.
The list is staggering.......
North Korea
Iran
Bin Laden
Iraq
Bush is the "Mr.Clean" to Clinton's........Joe Dirt.
We don't need to defend Israel. Just let Israel loose dammit. Stop tying their hands, like we have been since Reagan stupidly stopped them in Lebanon in 1982, when they could have smashed both the PLO and Syrians in one stroke. Instead he stuck Marines in there as sitting ducks, and turned tail when they got bombed--giving them their first big terrorist victory against the U.S. Let Israel fight with us in Iraq. Let them do as they wilt with the Arabs. Do we need any more evidence that kowtowing to the diaperheads gains us nothing?
You mean foreign entanglements like fighting the Nazi's? They didn't attack us, Japan did. So according to your views - we shouldn't have been involved.
After Iran expressed it's goal "wipe Israel off the map" - we should again "avoid foreign entaglements"? And do nothing?
What should we do? (don't tell me what we SHOULDN'T do) - tell me what we SHOULD do about Iran's threats?
So George Washington would be for the DPW deal, I take it?
He says what he thinks people ought to hear, not what they want to hear.
I like Washington's wisdom. But the rise of communism, fascism and Islamofascism changed the world. The kings of europe battling it out for trade advantages and the like were perfectly fit to ignore. The evil spectre of the three philosophies above needed/need to be crushed. I can understand the argument that letting Hitler own France should have been no skin off our nose. But letting him dominate Chechoslavakia, Poland, and most of Europe with a good chance of defeating the mother country (Britain)was unacceptable. Same with communism. It looked like the USSR was going to dominate the world when Carter was in office. But just as God gave us George Washington during our country's birth, God gave us Ronald Reagan to halt the advance of the commies and to halt the decline of the US. And it will only be the US that is responsible for killing off Islamofascism. It is the burden we now have.
You get that MSM?
Do you understand what he means?! Blitzer, Dobbs, Schieffer, Matthews... you savvy english?! Then by God you better get that THAT MESSAGE out tonight instead of telling America there's NOTHING we can do about it!
"I think our intelligence knows something that the public doesn't know..."
Oh, yes. In fact, our intelligence operations knows things even the President doesn't know.
Please, we need more than just spin here. That is *a* threat. If Iran gets the bomb it will be very bad for lots more people than just Israelis.
The President should just delegate public discussion of this issue to Cheney who manages every time to put it in good perspective and, at the same time, make the Dims look foolish.
LOL I'm waiting for the Leftists and the media to start screaming "BUSH INVADING IRAN"! STOP THE WAR WITH IRAN!
They've already started.
He sure does and the Iranians are spoiling for a fight. I don't know why, but they are.
First, Germany declared war on the US first...but even that aside, is it clear that American involvement in WWII saved lives?...we fought on the side of the Communist Soviets and helped it defeat its avowed enemy Nazi Germany...yet the Soviet Union was a nation which may itself have killed 50 million people...Communism worldwide may have killed over 100 million...the post-WWII carving up of Europe by the Allies and Soviets left all of Eastern Europe in shackles behind the Iron Curtain
Maybe, it retrospect, we in America would have been best off letting the Communists and Nazis destroy each other
one of general washington's best allies was a jewish man named Haym Solomon who helped finance the revolutionary war...
Yes...I think I posted something about Solomon on here once...he was a great American
Thank you for making my point. Standing up for Israel will also help save lives.
Personally I think pissant is mistaken, if Washington didn’t recognize our vulnerability by the War of 1812, he would by Monroe’s time, and I suspect he would have supported the Monroe Doctrine. He wouldn't have take till Hitler's time to wake up.
Washington's Farewell Address 1796
-----Big snip, worth reading-----
The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.
Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel.
Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?
It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat it, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But, in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.
Taking care always to keep ourselves by suitable establishments on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies.
Harmony, liberal intercourse with all nations, are recommended by policy, humanity, and interest. But even our commercial policy should hold an equal and impartial hand; neither seeking nor granting exclusive favors or preferences; consulting the natural course of things; diffusing and diversifying by gentle means the streams of commerce, but forcing nothing; establishing (with powers so disposed, in order to give trade a stable course, to define the rights of our merchants, and to enable the government to support them) conventional rules of intercourse, the best that present circumstances and mutual opinion will permit, but temporary, and liable to be from time to time abandoned or varied, as experience and circumstances shall dictate; constantly keeping in view that it is folly in one nation to look for disinterested favors from another; that it must pay with a portion of its independence for whatever it may accept under that character; that, by such acceptance, it may place itself in the condition of having given equivalents for nominal favors, and yet of being reproached with ingratitude for not giving more. There can be no greater error than to expect or calculate upon real favors from nation to nation. It is an illusion, which experience must cure, which a just pride ought to discard.
In offering to you, my countrymen, these counsels of an old and affectionate friend, I dare not hope they will make the strong and lasting impression I could wish; that they will control the usual current of the passions, or prevent our nation from running the course which has hitherto marked the destiny of nations. But, if I may even flatter myself that they may be productive of some partial benefit, some occasional good; that they may now and then recur to moderate the fury of party spirit, to warn against the mischiefs of foreign intrigue, to guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism; this hope will be a full recompense for the solicitude for your welfare, by which they have been dictated.
How far in the discharge of my official duties I have been guided by the principles which have been delineated, the public records and other evidences of my conduct must witness to you and to the world. To myself, the assurance of my own conscience is, that I have at least believed myself to be guided by them.
In relation to the still subsisting war in Europe, my proclamation of the twenty-second of April, I793, is the index of my plan. Sanctioned by your approving voice, and by that of your representatives in both houses of Congress, the spirit of that measure has continually governed me, uninfluenced by any attempts to deter or divert me from it.
After deliberate examination, with the aid of the best lights I could obtain, I was well satisfied that our country, under all the circumstances of the case, had a right to take, and was bound in duty and interest to take, a neutral position. Having taken it, I determined, as far as should depend upon me, to maintain it, with moderation, perseverance, and firmness.
The considerations which respect the right to hold this con duct, it is not necessary on this occasion to detail. I will only observe that, according to my understanding of the matter, that right, so far from being denied by any of the belligerent powers, has been virtually admitted by all.
The duty of holding a neutral conduct may be inferred, without anything more, from the obligation which justice and humanity impose on every nation, in cases in which it is free to act, to maintain inviolate the relations of peace and amity towards other nations.
The inducements of interest for observing that conduct will best be referred to your own reflections and experience. With me a predominant motive has been to endeavor to gain time to our country to settle and mature its yet recent institutions, and to progress without interruption to that degree of strength and consistency which is necessary to give it, humanly speaking, the command of its own fortunes.
Though, in reviewing the incidents of my administration, I am unconscious of intentional error, I am nevertheless too sensible of my defects not to think it probable that I may have committed many errors. Whatever they may be, I fervently beseech the Almighty to avert or mitigate the evils to which they may tend. I shall also carry with me the hope that my country will never cease to view them with indulgence; and that, after forty five years of my life dedicated to its service with an upright zeal, the faults of incompetent abilities will be consigned to oblivion, as myself must soon be to the mansions of rest.
Relying on its kindness in this as in other things, and actuated by that fervent love towards it, which is so natural to a man who views in it the native soil of himself and his progenitors for several generations, I anticipate with pleasing expectation that retreat in which I promise myself to realize, without alloy, the sweet enjoyment of partaking, in the midst of my fellow-citizens, the benign influence of good laws under a free government, the ever-favorite object of my heart, and the happy reward, as I trust, of our mutual cares, labors, and dangers.
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