A Woman With Stones (Wafa Sultan)

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[the invisib1e hand]

Do we still qualify?

you mean NY? I'll get back to you on that.

Seriously; there is civilization here, that hosts uncivilization -- death feeds off life, though they are clearly not the same thing.

I won't muddy up the waters by allowing that uncivilization is civilization -- the time has come to banish the semantic playground of nuance, to reclaim the integrity of definitions.

Then Cardinal Ratzinger has pointed out that there is no "culture of death," the term is contradictory. "Culture" is life affirming, axiomatically. It derives its very essence from life. There is, of course, an "anticulture" of death.

[PsyOp]

I hope she's wearing kevlar undies and burkah. I predict a fatwah in her future if it hasn't been issued already.

[Former MSM Viewer]

I can see this on the Nightly News...

Oh wait, no I cant....

[T Minus Four]

Absolutely remarkable!!!!

[cornelis]

The model for anyone tuned to the integrity of definitions is Socrates.

In Socrates we find the first understanding between the relative and absolute. He was first to note that words are merely reflections, images, or pointers of something in question. They are not the thing in question. In short, words point to concepts that point to things. Socrates thought that all things, words, and concepts are oriented toward the good. This thought is perpetuated in Augustine when he makes the distinction between the City of God and the City of Man. But let's ask Augustine, where is the City of God?

In a strictly logical sense, A is A and not non-A. But what is A is a bit more complicated when the thing we are defining is not a strictly logical thing. Civilization is not a strictly logical thing. There are kinds of civilizations and if we don't clarify the kinds, our rationalization will perpetuate somebody else's propaganda. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Hyperrationalism, (religious or not) assumes we can know what we don't know. Socrates made it clear long ago that all human knowledge is contingent. That is, knowledge does not have the good, but rather is a means toward having the good. It is directional. The same is true for words. They point. Words and definitions are not ends in themselves. Same for law. Same for civilization.

We may have different takes on this and others will be able to say it better. All the same, these are the important issues and questions, and they should be kept front and center.

[the invisib1e hand]

the mark of civilization is civility, as the mark of water wetness.

It is that simple.

[cornelis]

People all along have known that water is wet; it's an advance in knowledge to say that water is a molecule recognized by the mark H20. There is more to it than that, although some remain adamant enough in their naivete to argue that all you need to know is that it's wet.

Simply put, the simple doesn't do away with what is complex. They exist together.