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Foie gras industry's goose cooked
Jerusalem Post ^ | 3-19-06 | DANIEL KENNEMER

Posted on 03/19/2006 5:51:41 AM PST by SJackson

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To: Stultis
"The death knell should also be sounded on the veal industry. No one should support animal cruelty."

That is all true. I have said nothing about the coersive force of law. You assumed that. I didn't say or even imply it.

101 posted on 03/19/2006 1:36:32 PM PST by Savage Beast ("Of all that I have accomplished, the thing I'm proudest of is that I have a good heart."~Oprah)
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To: Savage Beast
O.K. As noted I was thrown off by the word "also". I.e. that veal farming should "also" be outlawed like foie gras farming was in this instance. But if you're only advocating withdrawal of support by individual effects on the market, then no problem. (I don't happen to eat either myself.)
102 posted on 03/19/2006 1:43:09 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: bill1952

What was the message from this bizarre stunt?


103 posted on 03/19/2006 1:46:06 PM PST by skr (We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent.-- Ronald Reagan)
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To: adam_az

Sounds like a great restaurant. I'd put it on my short list for sure.


104 posted on 03/19/2006 1:53:49 PM PST by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" - Anonymous)
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To: SJackson
There was a very good book and a movie made from it back in the 1940s: The Yearling:
A little boy (in the book it's a little girl) lives alone with his parents, homesteaders in the palmetto scrub wilderness of Florida.

They can hardly scratch out enough to survive.

The mother has had something like 12 children. All died. She is so hardened against life's cruelties that she will have nothing to do with the boy.

His father is kind, but the boy is terribly lonely.

The nearest family--and the nearest child--live a day's journey away.

One day, the father kills a doe. He finds that she has a fawn. They take it home. It becomes the boy's only friend. and he loves it deeply.

When the fawn becomes a yearling, however, it begins to raid the family's corn crop. They do everything they can to stop it, including erecting high fences, but it jumps the fences, and there's nothing they can do. If they don't stop it, they will starve.

Finally, the mother--inured to the cruelty of life--shoots the deer with a shotgun.

She severly wounds it. It's not killed.

The little boy takes the gun from his mother and kills his deer with it.

Then, after a period of grieving, he too becomes inured to the hardships of life. He helps his father and is more understanding about his mother.

In short, he becomes a man.

It was the little boy, as much as the deer, who was the yearling.

The meaning of the story is that all of us must erect defenses against the cruelties of life, which will sting every one of us sooner or later, in one way or another.

Denial is one of the best defenses, and its power can never be overestimated. But it is a double-edge sword, and it is very, very dangerous.

It is also important that we not let the cruelties of life brutalize and make cowards and sadists of us, as we accept life and our needs to survive and to care for ourselves and our families, and as we defend and provide for ourselves as we inevitably must.

The father in the story was strong, powerful, courageous, and kind. So was the boy, and he became more so when he became a man.

Strength, courage, and kindness are manly virtues.

There is nothing manly about cruelty, cowardice, or brutality. In fact, they are the opposite of manly.

105 posted on 03/19/2006 1:57:06 PM PST by Savage Beast ("Of all that I have accomplished, the thing I'm proudest of is that I have a good heart."~Oprah)
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To: Stultis
I hate coersive laws, Stult. Leftists love them, and the more draconian the more they like it. They call them "laws with teeeth in them". It allows them to enforce the laws selectively--i.e. be lenient on those they like, tough on those they don't, and be as arbitrary and tyrranical as possible.
106 posted on 03/19/2006 2:01:10 PM PST by Savage Beast ("Of all that I have accomplished, the thing I'm proudest of is that I have a good heart."~Oprah)
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To: Dutch Boy

Grah & Hohenfels were visited 'often'; you know what I mean. I was in Btn headquarters and we always reserved 3 mess halls; 1 for H'qtrs Co., 1 for the line Co's, & 1 as a beer/rec. hall. It was the Btn. mail man's job to go out and secure the stuff for the beer hall each day (which included the beer, of course). We all worked hard at getting on his short list for help.

Didn't spend much time in Furth. The one place I recalled in Nurnberg was a ratskeller just off the plaza that had great lunches.

Then there were the weekly tours that would highlight the castles and such. We'd go, but when the group would head for the castle we'd head for the best looking gasthaus for a meal. The good ones outnumbered the bad.


107 posted on 03/19/2006 2:03:37 PM PST by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" - Anonymous)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

Veal is a type of beef from a young calf. A cow is a female. The beef most people eat is from steers that are younger castrated male cattle.

I remember arising early to feed the cattle beefcake when it had been snowing out and discovered one cow that had recently calved was missing its calf. We hunted a good part of the a couple of days to discover it had gotten stuck in a mire and nearly died from exhaustion. We got into the muck and fetched him out, took him back, nursed him with warm milk and kept him in the barn for a few days so he wouldn;t die from exhaustion.

He later was butchered and sold as veal and the few pieces we had were tasty.

That particular calf was treated better than the rest of the herd, and suffered mainly because he didn't stay with his Momma the way he should have.

Perhaps you are confusing veal with Kobe beef.


108 posted on 03/19/2006 2:40:16 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: stands2reason
Do you think all animals should be treated carelessly?

Mental gymnastics? How do you arive at "all animals" when I listed only those commonly eaten by humans....and of course there natural preditors?

I do expect animal flesh to be properly prepared and cooked...with the exception of caviar..of course.

109 posted on 03/19/2006 2:45:34 PM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: skr

That the laws concerning pets nned to be changed from 'ownership' to something like 'guardian.'

According to this peta girl, and MANY others, pets shouldn't be 'owned,' they should have a legal status more like children.

Some places have those very laws.


110 posted on 03/19/2006 2:52:03 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Cvengr; stands2reason; Savage Beast
Perhaps you are confusing veal with Kobe beef.

No, I am not. Take a look at post #85. Veal farms are particularly cruel. I like meat, chicken and fish, but avoid veal because of the cruelty at all costs. Most people are unaware of the cruelty involved. The animal producing veal is by no means a pampered animal.

111 posted on 03/19/2006 3:21:15 PM PST by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: bill1952

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I've heard the ownership/guardianship debate. I don't see how that relates to a fur-coated woman leaning over a toilet bowl.


112 posted on 03/19/2006 3:24:06 PM PST by skr (We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent.-- Ronald Reagan)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

I'm on your side, Emma. Stick to your guns, girl. And I'm gonna stick to mine. ~S


113 posted on 03/19/2006 3:24:36 PM PST by Savage Beast ("Of all that I have accomplished, the thing I'm proudest of is that I have a good heart."~Oprah)
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To: Cvengr
Nice to hear from real experience. I often think that there should be required national service of a year in the military, a year on a farm/ranch and three months on an oil rig (because any more would kill most people).

And what is it with calves and mud? I swear, it's like house trailers and tornado's. Other than that never ending chore of cleaning the barn it seems like I spent half my childhood pulling calves out of mud.

114 posted on 03/19/2006 3:27:31 PM PST by Proud_texan ("Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." - Barry Goldwater)
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To: skr

Oh, I'm sorry.

She is supposed to be a dog, left alone at home, and forced to drink out of the toilet.


115 posted on 03/19/2006 3:29:11 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Savage Beast
If you don't know what it is, I can't help you.

Typical response from those who can't engage in rational discussion - play dumb and sarcastically imply the other guy is stupid.

116 posted on 03/19/2006 3:31:14 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: Savage Beast
My children are ALL Republicans, I am very proud to say.

Unfortunately, the Republican Party is just as liberal as the Dems.

117 posted on 03/19/2006 3:35:06 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: bill1952

Ohhhhhhhhh. Well, that certainly makes it into the theatre-of-the-absurd. Thank you for the clarification.


118 posted on 03/19/2006 3:51:47 PM PST by skr (We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent.-- Ronald Reagan)
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To: JCEccles

grouse is the best - but only 4 bites


119 posted on 03/19/2006 4:43:56 PM PST by spanalot
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"the Republican Party is just as liberal as the Dems."

Far more liberal, XXX. There is nothing liberal about the Democrat Party. It is the Party of the Left, which is the antithesis of freedom loving, open minded, and free thinking.

The Republican Party is the Party of Middle America--the last great bastion of Western Civilization, of freedom, freedom of thought and opinion, freedom of speech, et al.--in other words, the last great bastion of liberalism in the world.

The Left--including the Democrat Party--stands for tyrrany and is anything but liberal.

Remember how the Leftists shout down speakers they don't like? Remember speech codes? Restrictive and oppressive laws? Groupthink? Oppression? Tyranny?

This is tyranny. This is the Left. This is the Democrat Party. It is anything but liberal.

Note tagline.

120 posted on 03/19/2006 5:56:03 PM PST by Savage Beast (Do not refer to Leftists as "Liberals." There is nothing liberal about those people.)
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