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Harvard study: AIPAC makes US act against own interests
Jerusalem Post ^ | 3/19/6 | NATHAN GUTTMAN

Posted on 03/18/2006 10:39:55 PM PST by SmithL

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To: US admirer; yuta250

"A well reasoned and balanced statement. One that will be rejected by the Israel ping constituents once their primary spokespersons are made aware of this thread."

Actually it was shallow, ill informed, and void of context. Thanks for playing.


41 posted on 03/19/2006 9:40:57 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: adam_az
Yup, better start banning us from certain careers and having anti-Jew quotas.

You have it now, in PC version - it is called geographical diversity quotas. But do not worry, just move to Arkansas or Mississippi and you will be accepted :)

42 posted on 03/19/2006 9:43:20 AM PST by A. Pole (Solzhenitsyn:"Live Not By Lies" www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/ arch/solzhenitsyn/livenotbylies.html)
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To: yuta250

"And to expect us to provide an additional $2 billion to assist them in their relocation of the Gaza settlers is the height of chutzpah..."

As opposed to ourt playing kissyface with Arafat for decades, criticizing them for defending themselves, and to directly address your comment, browbeat them into "ending the occupation" when even Bill Clinton said that Israel should retain land necessary for the strategic depth it needs for self defense. Not to mention interfering in the 2nd Israeli election in a decade. None of that strikes you as a little nervy?


43 posted on 03/19/2006 9:44:08 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: adam_az
Please explain whan you know about the genesis of US aid to Israel.

In 1967 Soviet Union decided to side with Arab countries and USA with Israel.

44 posted on 03/19/2006 9:44:33 AM PST by A. Pole (Solzhenitsyn:"Live Not By Lies" www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/ arch/solzhenitsyn/livenotbylies.html)
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To: Earthdweller

"The same Americans that would kill the US to support Israel at all costs "

Try making your argument again without basing it on absurd, crude, bigoted, insulting strawmen.


45 posted on 03/19/2006 9:46:21 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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Also, why would you cut aid to Israel, but continue billions of miltary aid to Egypt?

I wouldn't, which you would know if you bother to read my post 28 above. Why on earth would you think I would want to continue aid to Egypt?

46 posted on 03/19/2006 9:47:15 AM PST by yuta250
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To: A. Pole

" In 1967 Soviet Union decided to side with Arab countries and USA with Israel."

In it's current form and quantity it began as a result of the Israel/Egypt peace treaty and Israel's Sinai withdrawl which is really just a temporary truce fueled by aid and military equipment to both.


47 posted on 03/19/2006 9:52:07 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: yuta250

"I wouldn't, which you would know if you bother to read my post 28 above. Why on earth would you think I would want to continue aid to Egypt?"

Didn't see that msg as it wasn't part of the thread.

I'd personally be fine with ending US aid entirely and cutting taxes to match.


48 posted on 03/19/2006 9:54:13 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: adam_az

We can afford to be nervy because it's on our dime. What we can't allow is the tail wagging the dog because of the influence of AIPAC, which is the essence of what this article is talking about


50 posted on 03/19/2006 9:57:42 AM PST by yuta250
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To: yuta250
subsidizing their economy to the tune of 3 to 5 billion a year is another.

Are you sitting down? Ready to be shocked?

This doesn't get much play particularly in the hate Israel circles but the US and Israel reached an agreement several years ago and Israel today gets very little ECONOMIC aid- the aid that concerns you- from the US.

Howe about less then 8% of what you wrote?

click

Happy?

51 posted on 03/19/2006 10:51:42 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: yuta250

"We can afford to be nervy because it's on our dime. What we can't allow is the tail wagging the dog because of the influence of AIPAC, which is the essence of what this article is talking about'

Do you propose curbing all lobbying in the US, or just by AIPAC?


52 posted on 03/19/2006 11:41:46 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: adam_az
Try making your argument again without basing it on absurd, crude, bigoted, insulting strawmen.

Absurd? There are in reality millions of people of all faiths and in numerous countries across the globe that correlate worshiping the literal real estate of Israel with worshiping the almighty God himself. Now that is absurd.

Bigoted? The last time I checked my dictionary for the word bigoted it made no reference to stating facts in relation to a broad or non specified group.

Insulting? Only to those who put US interest below that of Israel.

Strawman? Only if you can't see the forest for the trees.

53 posted on 03/19/2006 11:46:57 AM PST by Earthdweller
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To: Earthdweller
The same Americans that would kill the US to support Israel

Where does one find these evil Americans? Do they have any special characteristics?

54 posted on 03/19/2006 12:07:06 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Earthdweller

"Absurd? There are in reality millions of people of all faiths and in numerous countries across the globe that correlate worshiping the literal real estate of Israel with worshiping the almighty God himself. Now that is absurd."

It's absurd - an absurd strawman.

Bigoted, because you dusted off the old "dual loyalties" charge. That might work on Stormfront, but not here.


55 posted on 03/19/2006 12:15:34 PM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Sabramerican
"Where does one find these evil Americans? Do they have any special characteristics?"

Why do YOU say "they" are evil?

There is no specific group. It is a very widely healed belief that Israel is more important than any other country.

Go ahead and keep on fishing but I am not antisemitic, I'm equal-semitic. Sorry. No cigar.

56 posted on 03/19/2006 12:15:40 PM PST by Earthdweller
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To: adam_az
Bigoted, because you dusted off the old "dual loyalties" charge.

Charging who with dual loyalties? Who are you talking about with these dual loyalties? I'm talking about Americans in general not a minority group.

57 posted on 03/19/2006 12:18:48 PM PST by Earthdweller
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To: Sabramerican

" Where does one find these evil Americans? Do they have any special characteristics?"

The big noses and curly hair are hard to hide. The tail and horns are removed at a special ceremony called a Brisk, after a goyim baby is sacrificed and it's blood carefully collected to use for baking passover Matzot. Then they all the ambulance chasing lawyers and hollywood actors get together to collect money to be used to lobby washington for billions for israel, even though the lawyers and actors are outwardly pro-Arab.What are you, blind???!!


58 posted on 03/19/2006 12:19:52 PM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: adam_az
"The big noses and curly hair are hard to hide. "

Wow..sounds like my Aunt Fay. Hehehe.

She had a chip on her shoulder that I left lying there.

59 posted on 03/19/2006 12:26:26 PM PST by Earthdweller
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To: Earthdweller

"I'm equal-semitic"

Translation please?


60 posted on 03/19/2006 1:26:02 PM PST by dervish ("And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?")
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